German GEDmatch results

[Leto]

Why do you use outdated Oracles? It's annoying. And when you say Oberbayern, does it means 4/4 grandparents from there or what?
I want to know which samples can be used and which not, so it needs to be specified.

I'm just posting whatever I have or find interesting, you don't have to add it to anything. The thread is about German GEDmatch results. Also you are free to use whatever models you like.

[Peterski]

I very much doubt it. I've read a little bit about some of the most Slavic villages in the Stolp area, and town after town, the natives were expelled after World War II.

As I told you the 1950 census showed that there were 9370 pre-war autochthons in Słupsk County, and that was 11% of the population.

Many of them later emigrated to Germany, but some as late as the 1980s or 1990s. And in 1950 there were still 9370.

If you PM me your email address I will send you something (Excel spreadsheet with numbers of autochthons per county in 1950 census).

I don't have a breakdown by towns or villages, though.

[Jana]

I'm just posting whatever I have or find interesting, you don't have to add it to anything. The thread is about German GEDmatch results. Also you are free to use whatever models you like.

We are always collecting new samples, so you don't need to make it extra difficult. Just state where person is from to be clear, simple.

[Peterski]

Can you just piss off?

Nope, I can't.

[Smitty]

Where are these places: Philippsruh/Gro, Neuhof/Gro, Gro and Borrowila ???

This genealogy site covers the same family and lists Philippsruh and Neuhof as part of Gross Rakitt and Borrowila as being in Borreck in Kreis Karthaus, West Prussia (there is a Borrowilass near to Borreck).

https://www.sggee.org/pipermail/ger-...ry/001383.html

[Peterski]

This genealogy site covers the same family and lists Philippsruh and Neuhof as part of Gross Rakitt and Borrowila as being in Borreck in Kreis Karthaus, West Prussia (there is a Borrowilass near to Borreck).

https://www.sggee.org/pipermail/ger-...ry/001383.html

Borreck is now known as Borek Kamienny. And Borrowilass is maybe Borkowo? I will check this.

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BTW, I mentioned Stefan Ramułt on previous page of this discussion. He published (in 1899) exact data on ethnicity viillage by village and town by town in Kashubia, as of 1892. I do not have his book so I can't check the data for all counties, but I found some of his data in the internet:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Ramu%C5%82t

This covers mainly the coastal part of Kashubia (from Sopot / Zoppot to Białogóra / Wittenberg):

Division into counties is based on modern county borders, population numbers are for year 1892:

Legend:

Polish/Kashub - number of Kashubian&Polish-speakers in 1892
Catholic DE - number of Catholic German-speakers in 1892
Protestant DE - number of Protestant German-speakers in 1892
Jewish - number of Jews (mainly in Puck/Putzig, Sopot/Zoppot)
Others - other inhabitants / Total population / % Polish/Kashub



Note that Catholic DE could be German-speaking (Germanized) Kashubs/Poles, because they existed only in bigger towns.

Well, at least I suppose that Catholic German-speakers from Puck would have more Slavic DNA, than Protestant Germans.

Here is a map related to that table, also showing Inter-War Polish-German and Polish-Danzig borders (red lines):

Black lines are modern county & city borders.

Legend:

Blue dots = Protestant German majority settlement
Red dots = Polish/Kashubian majority settlement
Orange dots = Poles + Catholic Germans = majority



^^^
Gdynia did not exist as a city back then, but there was a number of villages in the area which later became the city.

[Peterski]

And do you want to declare this average ethnic German from Eastern Farther Pomerania a non-German?

Was Georg Hassel some kind of a Polish nationalist etc. in your opinion?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Hassel

If not, then why don't you trust his numbers which tell us, that Pommern was not only German, but also 1/10 Slavic:



So according to Hassel there were 65,000 Kashubians & Wends in the whole Provinz Pommern in year 1819. Zygmunt Szultka, a modern Polish author, wrote that roughly at that time (early 1800s) Kashubs were >55% of all inhabitants in Kreise Lauenburg & Butow and >25% in Kreis Stolp.

I think it is very likely that a random person from there has ~100% Kashubian/Wend ancestors as of the early 1800s.

In other words - it is possible that in the early 1800s all of such a person's ancestors were Slavic-speakers.

[Peterski]

In fact I almost always use German sources from Pre-Bismarck times to support my opinions, and yet I still get criticized by German nationalists or their Axis minions. It just shows how much German nationalists have become brainwashed starting from the Bismarck era onwards.

You swallowed so much of anti-Polish bullshit from your books, textbooks, media, etc. that it is now hard to find a common ground for discussion.

German nationalists would need to burn all post-1871 books about Polish-German history, and go to the basics.

[rothaer]

Borrowilass is Borowy Las.

[rothaer]

To determine the ethnicity of a today testee there is referred to 1800 AD ethnic figures?(!)