German GEDmatch results

**Ajeje Brazorf** · 01-30-2022, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Lucas

Patients from Hamburg hospital

Code:

German_Hamburg_GSM1031510,42.04,32.4,11.76,9.87,1.62,0.35,0.78,0.47,0,0.49,0,0.24,0
German_Hamburg_GSM1031511,36.18,28.02,14.55,9.52,6.2,2.36,0.79,0,0.32,1.2,0.87,0,0
German_Hamburg_GSM1031512,51.98,24.67,9.99,5.44,2.13,0,1.36,1.64,0,0.97,0.41,0.17,1.24
German_Hamburg_GSM1031513,44.91,27.55,11.34,6.12,5.62,0,2.94,0,0,0.71,0.45,0.37,0
German_Hamburg_GSM1031514,30.36,50.87,10.47,2.16,2.26,0,0.8,0,0.26,0.93,0,1.31,0.57
German_Hamburg_GSM1031515,43.7,29.39,16.04,4.62,3.04,0.53,0,0.53,0.38,0,0.34,0.25,1.17
German_Hamburg_GSM1031516,36.16,34.62,9.66,8.15,3.94,2.96,1.42,0.28,0.66,0.04,1.11,0,0.99
German_Hamburg_GSM1031517,40.21,31.67,13.54,2.83,8.05,1.49,0.31,0.2,0,1,0,0.7,0
German_Hamburg_GSM1031519,34.04,30.32,15.14,6.86,10.06,0,0.58,0,2.94,0.06,0,0,0
German_Hamburg_GSM1031521,42.33,27.64,15.65,8.27,3.75,0,0.52,0.04,0.37,0.12,0.66,0,0.66
German_Hamburg_GSM1031523,33.68,36.01,13.47,7.05,7.62,0,0.23,0,1.66,0,0.06,0,0.22
German_Hamburg_GSM1031524,47.2,31.45,6.44,6.18,1.58,2.62,1.57,0.44,0,0.6,1.33,0,0.59
German_Hamburg_GSM1031525,44.41,25.62,13.76,5.07,5.53,0.39,1.17,0.17,1.72,0,0,1.29,0.89
German_Hamburg_GSM1031526,50.16,24.06,10.37,6.7,2.88,2.84,0,1.55,0,0,0.32,0,1.13
German_Hamburg_GSM1031527,35.67,38.38,11.54,5.93,6.19,0,0.29,0,1.05,0,0,0,0.95
German_Hamburg_GSM1031529,47.18,25.89,11.63,4.53,4.41,1.78,1.02,0.99,0.16,1,0,0.06,1.35
German_Hamburg_GSM1031548,45.7,23.35,13.99,10.18,1.31,0.94,3.08,0,1.05,0.38,0,0,0

Erlangen patients

Code:

German_Erlangen_GSM1658598,39.85,24,13.69,13.83,5.96,0,2.67,0,0,0,0,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658599,39.59,23.84,17.64,5.35,10.62,0,0,0,0.42,0.77,0,0.95,0.82
German_Erlangen_GSM1658600,42.42,26,13.16,7.76,6.34,0.88,1.61,1.27,0,0.52,0,0.02,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658601,37.52,39.78,10.91,5.87,2.42,0.23,0.61,0,0,0.74,0.01,1.6,0.31
German_Erlangen_GSM1658602,36.7,26.59,13.74,5.55,11.18,3.8,1.61,0,0,0,0.82,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658603,40.74,24.05,15.73,5.9,10.57,0,0,1.52,0,0,0.97,0,0.53
German_Erlangen_GSM1658604,39.59,29.99,13.31,9.88,2.16,0.49,1.35,0,0,2.07,0.3,0,0.85
German_Erlangen_GSM1658605,37.34,32.65,12.66,7.37,5.58,1.77,0.89,0,0,0.82,0,0,0.93
German_Erlangen_GSM1658606,31.8,34.92,13.88,8.96,6.46,0,0.37,0,0,1.54,0.58,0.98,0.51
German_Erlangen_GSM1658607,41.26,27.89,14.97,6.25,7.15,0.18,0.96,0,1.19,0.15,0,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658609,40.66,29.47,10.41,7.06,8.78,0,1.89,0,0,0.26,0.66,0.82,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658610,44.78,22.32,17.8,6.05,5.38,1.1,1.07,0,0.98,0,0,0,0.5
German_Erlangen_GSM1658611,42.94,31.79,11.3,3.39,9.27,0,0,0,0,0.46,0.52,0.22,0.1
German_Erlangen_GSM1658612,36.71,31.92,14.35,4.08,8.82,0,1.97,0,0,0.67,0.54,0.29,0.64
German_Erlangen_GSM1658613,36.86,29.23,14.19,6.52,8.34,1.35,0.4,0,0,1.59,0.68,0,0.84
German_Erlangen_GSM1658614,36.13,29.6,21.53,6.18,4.32,0.71,0.34,0,0,0.36,0,0.83,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658615,41.52,25.36,13.73,6.66,9.68,1.04,0,0,0,2.02,0,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658616,34.27,29.08,16.7,8.4,8.45,0.35,1.3,0,0.95,0,0.09,0.42,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658617,42.77,23.52,13.5,6.35,7.8,2.89,0.02,0.46,0.27,0.48,0.3,0,1.64
German_Erlangen_GSM1658618,38.93,29.05,14.99,3.61,9.27,0.75,1.68,0.54,0.89,0.26,0.05,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658619,37.14,25.23,13.69,8.7,10.02,1.78,0.15,0.74,0.12,1.47,0,0,0.95
German_Erlangen_GSM1658620,37.61,30.75,12.78,6.3,8.62,1.83,0.79,0,0,0.34,0.86,0.12,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658621,34.66,32.16,16.64,3.83,10.73,0,0,0,0.1,0.76,0,0.28,0.84
German_Erlangen_GSM1658622,41.7,22.58,15.79,3.58,12.71,0,2.52,0,0.96,0,0,0.17,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658623,43.49,26.94,11.09,6.61,5.67,2.43,0,0,0.62,2.24,0,0.91,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658625,40.78,31.14,13.05,0.65,8.57,2.17,0.98,0,1.22,0.66,0.79,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658626,42.34,24.68,17.14,8.41,4.88,1.18,0,0.23,0,0.54,0.46,0,0.14
German_Erlangen_GSM1658627,38.49,26.49,17.94,7.89,6.02,0,2.01,0,0,1,0,0.15,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658628,42.18,29.67,14,7.91,3.44,0,1.25,0,0.44,0,0,0,1.11
German_Erlangen_GSM1658630,35.84,28.1,17.12,4.82,11.88,0,0.1,0.14,0,1.39,0.08,0,0.53
German_Erlangen_GSM1658631,48.21,19.07,20.38,4.12,5.3,0,0,1.1,0,0.56,0.34,0.18,0.76
German_Erlangen_GSM1658632,48.21,19.07,20.38,4.12,5.3,0,0,1.1,0,0.56,0.34,0.18,0.76
German_Erlangen_GSM1658633,39.89,26.12,16.38,5.7,7.99,0,1.9,0.22,0,0.05,0.58,1.17,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658634,31.24,33.08,15.92,8.79,7.55,0,0.89,0,0,2.18,0.36,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658635,40.52,28.08,13.02,4.25,11.01,0,1.01,0,1.36,0.75,0,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658636,40.28,30.26,12.83,7.16,3.7,1.54,2.36,0,1.25,0.13,0.11,0,0.37
German_Erlangen_GSM1658637,38.19,24.78,13.28,9.1,12.19,0.34,0.46,0.41,0,0.89,0,0,0.36
German_Erlangen_GSM1658638,32.34,29.41,13.3,7.67,12.56,1.62,1.09,0,0.24,1.23,0.52,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658639,41.09,22.16,13.92,10.63,5.95,1.81,2.75,1.15,0,0.15,0,0,0.39
German_Erlangen_GSM1658640,39.14,28.18,15.11,5.04,10.65,0,0,0,0.51,0.78,0.59,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658641,36.27,27.78,17.02,4.98,9.92,1.37,0.17,0,0,0,1.56,0.76,0.17
German_Erlangen_GSM1658642,38.96,24.35,15.64,10.3,6.51,0.3,0,0.23,0.98,1.74,0.53,0,0.47
German_Erlangen_GSM1658643,34.65,34.33,13.66,5.38,7.88,0.83,0,0,0,1.68,1.03,0,0.56
German_Erlangen_GSM1658644,35.48,33.72,12.92,6.62,9.87,0,0.58,0,0.67,0,0,0.14,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658645,36.89,33.28,14.11,3.86,6.27,0.14,1.27,1.22,0,1.37,0.23,1.37,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658646,38.76,31.6,11.59,2.42,9.32,3.06,0.86,0,0.91,0.31,0.19,0.97,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658647,31.43,44.05,9.15,6.55,5.98,0,0.85,0,0.55,1.03,0.05,0,0.37
German_Erlangen_GSM1658648,37.75,32.28,12.41,5.27,8.34,0,0,1.52,0.37,1.07,0,0,1
German_Erlangen_GSM1658649,38.76,23.53,18.49,4.08,10.99,1.45,1.59,0,0,0,0.08,0.42,0.61
German_Erlangen_GSM1658650,39.57,24.95,14.25,11.75,3.73,1.67,2.65,0,0.9,0,0,0,0.52
German_Erlangen_GSM1658651,33.46,37.54,13.19,3.73,6.4,2.4,1.14,0.5,0.01,0.62,0.2,0.83,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658652,38.3,27.95,15.11,8.97,5.92,1.21,0.49,0,0.6,0.75,0,0.06,0.64
German_Erlangen_GSM1658653,36.53,24.98,17.75,6.72,10.84,0.49,0.54,0,0.08,1.3,0.78,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658654,43.37,26.5,12.22,4,11,0,0,2.35,0,0.44,0.11,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658655,41.37,24.11,13.8,6.62,9.77,1.2,0,0,0,1.37,1.21,0.54,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658656,38.16,33.3,14.44,5.34,6.11,0,0.81,0,0,0.65,0.65,0,0.54
German_Erlangen_GSM1658657,35.85,32.08,14.06,8.11,5.5,1.2,0,1.22,0,0,0,1.99,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658658,43.43,25.78,11.99,7.98,7.05,0,1.24,0,0.96,0,0,1.06,0.52
German_Erlangen_GSM1658659,39.88,24.69,19.13,2.36,8.66,1.38,2.32,0,0.19,0.45,0.94,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658660,42.51,23.77,14.24,6.62,9.9,0.39,1.03,0.53,0,0.85,0,0.16,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658661,35.33,30.61,11.93,7.77,10.94,0,0,0,0.83,1.35,1.07,0,0.16
German_Erlangen_GSM1658662,40.66,22.8,18.98,7.86,5.65,1.29,0,0,0.67,1.27,0.82,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658663,39.23,24.2,15.63,7.28,8.75,2.53,1.48,0,0.89,0,0,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658664,35.02,31.69,13.95,5.89,8.28,2.87,0.28,0,1.79,0.2,0,0.04,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658665,41.49,31.57,13.02,4.08,6.63,0.25,0.14,0.9,0,0.51,1.42,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658666,39.77,26.46,15.19,4.64,10.93,2.57,0,0,0,0.16,0.29,0,0
German_Erlangen_GSM1658667,37.73,32.59,13.74,1.33,9.43,0,1.62,0,1.24,0.99,0.62,0.52,0.19

Averages

Code:

German_Hamburg_patient,41.52411765,30.70058824,12.31411765,6.44,4.481764706,0.956470588,0.991764706,0.371176471,0.621764706,0.441176471,0.326470588,0.258235294,0.574117647
German_Erlangen_patient,39.45604844,28.84824221,14.1319308,6.314470588,7.229785467,0.871252595,0.869550173,0.282719723,0.404138408,0.640484429,0.33184083,0.268214533,0.352519031

**Leto** · 01-30-2022, 04:59 PM

Mein Name ist Gerhard Drogi (Jahrgang 1952). Seit Anfang Juni 2005 beschäftige ich mich mit der Vergangenheit unserer Familien - als Hobby, sofern dies meine Zeit als Verkaufsleiter eines großen niederländischen Unternehmens für Haushaltswaren aus Kunststoff zuläßt.

Ich bin also blutiger Anfänger in Sachen Genealogie und für jeden Hinweis dankbar. Die bisherigen 'Forschungsergebnisse' beruhen im Wesentlichen auf Befragungen unserer Verwandschaft und den vorliegenden Daten unser leider bereits verstorbenen Eltern und Großeltern. Die Daten der Lautner Linie aus Engelsberg / Sudetenland habe ich überwiegend der Häuserchronik des Ortes entnommen, die in jahrerlanger Kleinarbeit von Rudolf Quaiser erstellt wurde. Hierfür vielen Dank.

Wesentliche Familiennamen und Orte über die ich gerne mehr wissen möchte:

Namen: Baranowski, Constabel, Drogi, Geissler, Kunkel, Lautner, Schindler, Scholze Orte: Alteichen bzw. Golkowitz (Golkowice), Engelsberg, Kratzau, Neundorf

https://privat.genealogy.net/drogi.g/Vorstellung.htm

North_Atlantic 38.66 Pct
Baltic 31.07 Pct
West_Med 16.01 Pct
West_Asian 6.08 Pct
East_Med 4.45 Pct
Red_Sea 1.42 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.12 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.78 Pct
Oceanian 0.41 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

T-Y6671 (very rare haplogroup)
H1ap1

Distance to: Gerhard
4.03538102 German_North_Bohemia
4.17716411 German_Saxony
5.15659772 German_County_Glatz
5.69710453 German
5.77557789 German_Thuringia_East
6.14310996 German_Brandenburg_Northwest
6.32550393 German_Thuringia_Central
6.42772899 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
6.43536324 Austrian_Styria
6.45517622 German_North_Moravia
6.47349983 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
6.53388093 Austrian
6.64730020 German_Mecklenburg_Center/East
6.89755029 German_West_Bohemia
7.22114084 German_Hither_Pomerania
7.41122797 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
7.88832523 Austrian_Lower_Austria
8.11592262 German_Lower_Silesia
8.36167447 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
9.13695792 Slovene

Target: Gerhard
Distance: 1.5536% / 1.55360379 | ADC: 0.25x RC
32.0 German_County_Glatz
22.6 German_Brandenburg_Northwest
17.6 Polish_Warmia-Masuria
12.7 Basque_France
7.5 Austrian_Lower_Austria
5.6 German_East_Prussia_Memelland
2.0 German_Saxony

Target: Gerhard
Distance: 2.8282% / 2.82822680 | ADC: 0.5x RC
43.2 German_County_Glatz
31.0 German_Brandenburg_Northwest
20.1 German_North_Bohemia
5.7 Basque_France

**Leto** · 01-30-2022, 05:23 PM

No information on this account, not even their names (only the initials) but they seem to be Southwestern Germans having no Eastern European influence whatsoever

North_Atlantic 46.75 Pct
Baltic 21.21 Pct
West_Med 16.02 Pct
West_Asian 4.39 Pct
East_Med 7.81 Pct
Red_Sea 1.71 Pct
South_Asian 0.83 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.66 Pct
Oceanian 0.62 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Father
North_Atlantic 46.5 Pct
Baltic 20.16 Pct
West_Med 16.9 Pct
West_Asian 5.62 Pct
East_Med 7.49 Pct
Red_Sea 1.02 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.67 Pct
Oceanian 0.46 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.17 Pct

Mother
North_Atlantic 46.76 Pct
Baltic 20.76 Pct
West_Med 16.22 Pct
West_Asian 2.87 Pct
East_Med 9.92 Pct
Red_Sea 0.73 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.43 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.15 Pct
Oceanian 0.15 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Husband
North_Atlantic 41.01 Pct
Baltic 22.54 Pct
West_Med 16.91 Pct
West_Asian 9.67 Pct
East_Med 8.19 Pct
Red_Sea 0.32 Pct
South_Asian 0.08 Pct
East_Asian 0.21 Pct
Siberian 0.3 Pct
Amerindian 0.65 Pct
Oceanian 0.11 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

**Leto** · 01-30-2022, 05:32 PM

From around Cologne / Bonn (NRW), he has half a dozen relatives on his account

North_Atlantic 42.2 Pct
Baltic 24.91 Pct
West_Med 15.22 Pct
West_Asian 7.1 Pct
East_Med 7.43 Pct
Red_Sea 0.13 Pct
South_Asian 0.63 Pct
East_Asian 0.37 Pct
Siberian 1.08 Pct
Amerindian 0.32 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.63 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Distance to: DA
2.04274325 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
3.62135334 German_North_Rhine
3.76548802 German_North_Moravia
3.97232929 German
4.16757723 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
4.18418451 German_Bavaria_Proper
4.24429028 French_Alsace
4.37424279 German_Baden-Württemberg
4.39508817 Flemish
4.55285625 Belgian
4.60202130 German_South_Hesse
4.98912818 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
5.05628322 Dutch_South
5.35153249 French_Northeast
5.45527268 Swiss_German
5.48206166 German_West_Bohemia
5.49284990 French_Normandy
5.53524164 German_North_Hesse
5.87896037 Austrian_Lower_Austria
5.89298736 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine

Target: DA
Distance: 1.4394% / 1.43936135 | ADC: 0.5x RC
70.0 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
19.5 Dutch_South
10.5 German

**Ajeje Brazorf** · 02-02-2022, 03:49 PM

I tried to do an ancient Germanic proxy using samples from Germany and Szolad/Collegno. Some may have mixed ancestry though.

Samples used

Code:

Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:BIM33.SG,37.65,32.21,15.85,10.25,0,1.06,0.67,0,0.23,0,0.04,0,2.05
Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:STR355c.SG,53.81,21.94,11.01,1.12,7.44,0,2.99,0,0,1.35,0.34,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:STR220c.SG,38.43,26.03,19.36,8.86,2,0.7,0,0,2.34,0,0,2.27,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval_Alemanic_Byzantine:NIEcap3a,59.57,23.99,8.81,3.09,0,3.35,0,0,0,0.61,0.59,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval_Alemanic_Langobardian:NIEcap6,46.37,17.37,10.48,17.08,3.23,2.58,1.44,0.07,0,0,1.37,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval_Alemanic_Byzantine:NIEcap12c,47.23,33.64,11.78,3.59,0,0,0,0,0,0.78,2.99,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:AED106.SG,46.79,23.39,8.49,15.35,0,0,0,0,1.27,1.54,2.3,0,0.87
Germany_EarlyMedieval_o3.SG:AED249.SG,57.4,27.17,9.14,4.43,0,0,0.61,1.25,0,0,0,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval_o3.SG:AED1135b.SG,21.65,39.86,12.4,15.64,0,9.1,0.46,0,0,0,0.9,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:Alh1.SG,49.59,30.88,12.14,3,0,0.62,1.01,0.36,0,0.91,1.27,0.23,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:Alh3a.SG,39.16,33.05,4.97,11.1,7.9,0,0,2.58,1.23,0,0,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:Alh10.SG,50.47,28.86,8.83,1.45,2.02,5.99,0,1.51,0,0.88,0,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:NW255a.SG,48.03,26.92,10,7.9,0,6.72,0,0,0,0.43,0,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:STR316b.SG,44.67,35.47,9.01,0,0,0,9.65,0,1.21,0,0,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:STR480.SG,52.46,17.64,16.36,3.91,0,4.24,5.39,0,0,0,0,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:STR486.SG,36,33.66,7.48,9.66,3.22,1.44,6.84,0,0,0.08,0,0,1.62
Hungary_Langobard.SG:SZ2.SG,53.51,34.74,1.13,6.25,0.85,0,0.01,0,0.52,0,0.88,2.1,0
Hungary_Langobard.SG:SZ3.SG,41.29,23.99,17.96,1.24,11.03,0,2.4,0,0,1.56,0.53,0,0
Hungary_Langobard.SG:SZ4.SG,47.19,29.56,9.12,6.92,1.9,1.66,0.98,0.12,1.41,0,0.85,0.29,0
Hungary_Langobard.SG:SZ5.SG,41.19,26.06,11.63,4.28,11.27,2.18,0,0,0.16,2.65,0.58,0,0
Hungary_Langobard:SZ7,48.42,28.5,11.02,3.98,1.66,1.8,0,0,1.3,1.66,1.09,0.57,0
Hungary_Langobard_sister.SZ14_sister.SZ6:SZ8,47.08,21.46,13.12,1.93,9.36,0,4.36,0,0,0.29,0.61,1.78,0
Hungary_Langobard:SZ9,49.77,31.73,11.18,2.73,0,0.76,3.32,0,0,0,0.51,0,0
Hungary_Langobard.SG:SZ11.SG,47.5,24.84,13.96,11.88,0,0,0,1.32,0.15,0.35,0,0,0
Hungary_Langobard:SZ12,47.69,28.42,8.15,10.05,0,0,2.29,0.07,0,0.57,2.54,0,0.22
Hungary_Langobard_son.SZ24_father.SZ7_brother.SZ22:SZ13,51.49,25.93,7.02,6.07,0,3.37,2.83,0,0,2.03,1.15,0,0.11
Hungary_Langobard:SZ14,38.5,24.78,18.99,13.02,0,0.31,0,0,0,0,2.15,0,2.26
Hungary_Langobard.SG:SZ15.SG,54.32,23.5,8.97,7.79,0,1.3,0.18,3.34,0.27,0.33,0,0,0
Hungary_Langobard:SZ16,43.6,31.17,9.64,11.16,0,0,1.59,0,0.86,0,1.31,0,0.67
Hungary_Langobard_o2:SZ18,34.54,21.21,17.42,12.31,9.24,0.11,0,0,0.23,2.64,0.54,0,1.76
Hungary_Langobard_son.SZ24_brother.SZ22:SZ22,47.06,26.02,8.49,7.52,5.13,0,3.62,0,0,0,2.14,0,0
Hungary_Langobard:SZ23,38.31,18.96,19.38,13.29,6.26,1.24,0,0,0.62,0.72,0.59,0.31,0.32
Hungary_Langobard:SZ24,46.15,22.23,13.17,0,13.69,0,2.75,0.34,0,1.33,0,0,0.34
Hungary_Langobard:SZ30,54.11,20.94,9.51,7.66,0,0,1.1,0,2.78,1.49,1.92,0,0.49
Hungary_Langobard:SZ38,48.3,20.72,9.2,7.07,11.96,0,0,0,0,0.65,0.73,1.36,0
Hungary_Langobard:SZ42,39.1,26.07,8.9,10.14,11.97,1.04,0,0,0,1.14,1.64,0,0
Hungary_Langobard_o2.SG:SZ45.SG,33.93,21.99,17.54,10.07,8.91,3.18,0.92,1.33,0.57,0,0,0,1.58
Hungary_Langobard:SZ25,39.05,29.52,4.04,11.97,8.7,2.06,0,1.39,0,0,0.93,2.35,0
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2:CL47,34.92,18.32,23.77,4.64,11.66,3.17,0,0,2.67,0,0.08,0.36,0.41
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2:CL63,34.83,21.34,15.99,12.93,13.83,0,0,0.85,0,0,0.24,0,0
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_brother.CL84_son.CL87:CL83,50.1,26.14,13.02,3.44,2.96,1.46,0,0.78,0,1.19,0,0.91,0
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1:CL84,48.13,29.98,9.67,0.35,8.92,0.99,0,0,0.69,0.72,0,0.55,0
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_mother.CL83_mother.CL84_daughter.CL102:CL87,47.66,22.35,15.19,3.97,7.54,2.35,0,0.43,0,0.05,0,0,0.45
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_son.CL93:CL92,41.65,34.01,9.7,8.96,2.82,0,0,0.31,1.39,0,1.16,0,0
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1:CL93,47.63,26.5,11.94,8.46,1.27,1.51,0,0.08,0.76,0,1.4,0,0.45
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1:CL102,42.07,21.56,17.2,6.77,10.02,0.5,0.64,0,1.11,0.12,0,0,0
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_brother.CL146_son.CL151:CL145,51.18,29.18,6,6.17,0.75,0,5.33,0,0,0,0.41,0.97,0
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1:CL146,53.52,25.08,9.05,7.91,1.86,0,0,0,0,0.8,0.17,0,1.59
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_mother.CL145_mother.CL146:CL151,49.44,28.07,8.45,7.9,0,1.79,1.93,0,0,1.21,1.2,0,0

Average

Code:

Germanic_proxy,45.35734694,26.46836735,11.54346939,7.250204082,4.06877551,1.35877551,1.292040816,0.329183673,0.444285714,0.573061224,0.717346939,0.286734694,0.31

Distances

Code:

Distance to:	Germanic_proxy
3.73452665	German_Lower_Saxony_South
3.78577487	German_Westphalia
4.58127573	Dutch
4.93969279	German
5.08480003	Dutch_Central
5.20903900	German_Lower_Saxony_North
5.26793279	Dutch_South
5.49881968	English_Southeast
5.62530757	Dutch_North
5.81698810	English_Midlands
5.87018752	German_Schleswig-Holstein
5.98786269	English
6.00948260	German_North_Moravia
6.16256884	Flemish
6.28598178	English_North
6.38528103	German_Brandenburg_Northwest
6.49087955	German_Hither_Pomerania
6.63605793	Icelandic
6.65504010	German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
6.66059318	Danish
6.81513783	English_Southwest
6.90955472	Belgian
6.94483581	Welsh
7.01391005	Swedish
7.06187938	Swedish_Götaland
7.10767389	Orcadian
7.11136698	Scottish
7.11385179	Scottish_Northeast
7.14092814	Scottish_East
7.14880121	Norwegian
7.17723467	Scottish_G?idhealtachd
7.17830302	Norwegian_Southcentral
7.37568534	Scottish_North-Highlands
7.45116629	German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
7.52151889	Swedish_West-Svealand
7.52465821	Scottish_Southwest
7.60005381	German_Hamburg
7.63080181	German_Mecklenburg_Center/East
7.63248398	German_Mecklenburg_West
7.74268183	German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
7.74301104	Irish_Leinster
7.91480617	German_North_Rhine
8.21807748	French_Normandy
8.28676912	French_Brittany
8.47878177	Irish
8.50663592	Irish_Connacht
8.62602514	German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
8.64461136	German_Saxony
8.92984000	Irish_Munster
9.06194327	German_North_Hesse
9.11548299	Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
9.38381105	Irish_Ulster
9.47328691	Swedish_East-Svealand
9.57246303	French_Northeast
9.58489360	German_Bavaria_Proper
9.71882213	German_South_Hesse
9.78562219	German_Baden-Württemberg
9.80336914	French_Alsace
9.88153687	German_North_Bohemia

PCA

**Lucas** · 02-02-2022, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf

I tried to do an ancient Germanic proxy using samples from Germany and Szolad/Collegno. Some may have mixed ancestry though.

Samples used

Code:

Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:BIM33.SG,37.65,32.21,15.85,10.25,0,1.06,0.67,0,0.23,0,0.04,0,2.05
Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:STR355c.SG,53.81,21.94,11.01,1.12,7.44,0,2.99,0,0,1.35,0.34,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:STR220c.SG,38.43,26.03,19.36,8.86,2,0.7,0,0,2.34,0,0,2.27,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval_Alemanic_Byzantine:NIEcap3a,59.57,23.99,8.81,3.09,0,3.35,0,0,0,0.61,0.59,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval_Alemanic_Langobardian:NIEcap6,46.37,17.37,10.48,17.08,3.23,2.58,1.44,0.07,0,0,1.37,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval_Alemanic_Byzantine:NIEcap12c,47.23,33.64,11.78,3.59,0,0,0,0,0,0.78,2.99,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:AED106.SG,46.79,23.39,8.49,15.35,0,0,0,0,1.27,1.54,2.3,0,0.87
Germany_EarlyMedieval_o3.SG:AED249.SG,57.4,27.17,9.14,4.43,0,0,0.61,1.25,0,0,0,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval_o3.SG:AED1135b.SG,21.65,39.86,12.4,15.64,0,9.1,0.46,0,0,0,0.9,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:Alh1.SG,49.59,30.88,12.14,3,0,0.62,1.01,0.36,0,0.91,1.27,0.23,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:Alh3a.SG,39.16,33.05,4.97,11.1,7.9,0,0,2.58,1.23,0,0,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:Alh10.SG,50.47,28.86,8.83,1.45,2.02,5.99,0,1.51,0,0.88,0,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:NW255a.SG,48.03,26.92,10,7.9,0,6.72,0,0,0,0.43,0,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:STR316b.SG,44.67,35.47,9.01,0,0,0,9.65,0,1.21,0,0,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:STR480.SG,52.46,17.64,16.36,3.91,0,4.24,5.39,0,0,0,0,0,0
Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:STR486.SG,36,33.66,7.48,9.66,3.22,1.44,6.84,0,0,0.08,0,0,1.62
Hungary_Langobard.SG:SZ2.SG,53.51,34.74,1.13,6.25,0.85,0,0.01,0,0.52,0,0.88,2.1,0
Hungary_Langobard.SG:SZ3.SG,41.29,23.99,17.96,1.24,11.03,0,2.4,0,0,1.56,0.53,0,0
Hungary_Langobard.SG:SZ4.SG,47.19,29.56,9.12,6.92,1.9,1.66,0.98,0.12,1.41,0,0.85,0.29,0
Hungary_Langobard.SG:SZ5.SG,41.19,26.06,11.63,4.28,11.27,2.18,0,0,0.16,2.65,0.58,0,0
Hungary_Langobard:SZ7,48.42,28.5,11.02,3.98,1.66,1.8,0,0,1.3,1.66,1.09,0.57,0
Hungary_Langobard_sister.SZ14_sister.SZ6:SZ8,47.08,21.46,13.12,1.93,9.36,0,4.36,0,0,0.29,0.61,1.78,0
Hungary_Langobard:SZ9,49.77,31.73,11.18,2.73,0,0.76,3.32,0,0,0,0.51,0,0
Hungary_Langobard.SG:SZ11.SG,47.5,24.84,13.96,11.88,0,0,0,1.32,0.15,0.35,0,0,0
Hungary_Langobard:SZ12,47.69,28.42,8.15,10.05,0,0,2.29,0.07,0,0.57,2.54,0,0.22
Hungary_Langobard_son.SZ24_father.SZ7_brother.SZ22:SZ13,51.49,25.93,7.02,6.07,0,3.37,2.83,0,0,2.03,1.15,0,0.11
Hungary_Langobard:SZ14,38.5,24.78,18.99,13.02,0,0.31,0,0,0,0,2.15,0,2.26
Hungary_Langobard.SG:SZ15.SG,54.32,23.5,8.97,7.79,0,1.3,0.18,3.34,0.27,0.33,0,0,0
Hungary_Langobard:SZ16,43.6,31.17,9.64,11.16,0,0,1.59,0,0.86,0,1.31,0,0.67
Hungary_Langobard_o2:SZ18,34.54,21.21,17.42,12.31,9.24,0.11,0,0,0.23,2.64,0.54,0,1.76
Hungary_Langobard_son.SZ24_brother.SZ22:SZ22,47.06,26.02,8.49,7.52,5.13,0,3.62,0,0,0,2.14,0,0
Hungary_Langobard:SZ23,38.31,18.96,19.38,13.29,6.26,1.24,0,0,0.62,0.72,0.59,0.31,0.32
Hungary_Langobard:SZ24,46.15,22.23,13.17,0,13.69,0,2.75,0.34,0,1.33,0,0,0.34
Hungary_Langobard:SZ30,54.11,20.94,9.51,7.66,0,0,1.1,0,2.78,1.49,1.92,0,0.49
Hungary_Langobard:SZ38,48.3,20.72,9.2,7.07,11.96,0,0,0,0,0.65,0.73,1.36,0
Hungary_Langobard:SZ42,39.1,26.07,8.9,10.14,11.97,1.04,0,0,0,1.14,1.64,0,0
Hungary_Langobard_o2.SG:SZ45.SG,33.93,21.99,17.54,10.07,8.91,3.18,0.92,1.33,0.57,0,0,0,1.58
Hungary_Langobard:SZ25,39.05,29.52,4.04,11.97,8.7,2.06,0,1.39,0,0,0.93,2.35,0
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2:CL47,34.92,18.32,23.77,4.64,11.66,3.17,0,0,2.67,0,0.08,0.36,0.41
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2:CL63,34.83,21.34,15.99,12.93,13.83,0,0,0.85,0,0,0.24,0,0
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_brother.CL84_son.CL87:CL83,50.1,26.14,13.02,3.44,2.96,1.46,0,0.78,0,1.19,0,0.91,0
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1:CL84,48.13,29.98,9.67,0.35,8.92,0.99,0,0,0.69,0.72,0,0.55,0
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_mother.CL83_mother.CL84_daughter.CL102:CL87,47.66,22.35,15.19,3.97,7.54,2.35,0,0.43,0,0.05,0,0,0.45
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_son.CL93:CL92,41.65,34.01,9.7,8.96,2.82,0,0,0.31,1.39,0,1.16,0,0
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1:CL93,47.63,26.5,11.94,8.46,1.27,1.51,0,0.08,0.76,0,1.4,0,0.45
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1:CL102,42.07,21.56,17.2,6.77,10.02,0.5,0.64,0,1.11,0.12,0,0,0
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_brother.CL146_son.CL151:CL145,51.18,29.18,6,6.17,0.75,0,5.33,0,0,0,0.41,0.97,0
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1:CL146,53.52,25.08,9.05,7.91,1.86,0,0,0,0,0.8,0.17,0,1.59
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_mother.CL145_mother.CL146:CL151,49.44,28.07,8.45,7.9,0,1.79,1.93,0,0,1.21,1.2,0,0

Average

Code:

Germanic_proxy,45.35734694,26.46836735,11.54346939,7.250204082,4.06877551,1.35877551,1.292040816,0.329183673,0.444285714,0.573061224,0.717346939,0.286734694,0.31

Distances

Code:

Distance to:	Germanic_proxy
3.73452665	German_Lower_Saxony_South
3.78577487	German_Westphalia
4.58127573	Dutch
4.93969279	German
5.08480003	Dutch_Central
5.20903900	German_Lower_Saxony_North
5.26793279	Dutch_South
5.49881968	English_Southeast
5.62530757	Dutch_North
5.81698810	English_Midlands
5.87018752	German_Schleswig-Holstein
5.98786269	English
6.00948260	German_North_Moravia
6.16256884	Flemish
6.28598178	English_North
6.38528103	German_Brandenburg_Northwest
6.49087955	German_Hither_Pomerania
6.63605793	Icelandic
6.65504010	German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
6.66059318	Danish
6.81513783	English_Southwest
6.90955472	Belgian
6.94483581	Welsh
7.01391005	Swedish
7.06187938	Swedish_Götaland
7.10767389	Orcadian
7.11136698	Scottish
7.11385179	Scottish_Northeast
7.14092814	Scottish_East
7.14880121	Norwegian
7.17723467	Scottish_G?idhealtachd
7.17830302	Norwegian_Southcentral
7.37568534	Scottish_North-Highlands
7.45116629	German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
7.52151889	Swedish_West-Svealand
7.52465821	Scottish_Southwest
7.60005381	German_Hamburg
7.63080181	German_Mecklenburg_Center/East
7.63248398	German_Mecklenburg_West
7.74268183	German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
7.74301104	Irish_Leinster
7.91480617	German_North_Rhine
8.21807748	French_Normandy
8.28676912	French_Brittany
8.47878177	Irish
8.50663592	Irish_Connacht
8.62602514	German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
8.64461136	German_Saxony
8.92984000	Irish_Munster
9.06194327	German_North_Hesse
9.11548299	Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
9.38381105	Irish_Ulster
9.47328691	Swedish_East-Svealand
9.57246303	French_Northeast
9.58489360	German_Bavaria_Proper
9.71882213	German_South_Hesse
9.78562219	German_Baden-Württemberg
9.80336914	French_Alsace
9.88153687	German_North_Bohemia

PCA

Nice. Maybe Poprad Germanic Prince could be added but one sample can't change the average in any bigger way.

Also surprised that Dutch North is so low in distances. Not to mention Scandos. Very interesting.

**Ajeje Brazorf** · 02-02-2022, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by Lucas

Nice. Maybe Poprad Germanic Prince could be added but one sample can't change the average in any bigger way.

Also surprised that Dutch North is so low in distances. Not to mention Scandos. Very interesting.

I remade the average adding Poprad and excluding samples with less than 70% Germanic_Celtic ancestry in this table shared by Riverman on Anthrogenica.

Spoiler!

Code:

Germanic_NEW,47.21225,27.04175,10.47575,6.98725,3.11875,1.076,1.32075,0.35375,0.4465,0.54,0.81475,0.37625,0.23475

Distances

Code:

Distance to:	Germanic_NEW
2.50853192	German_Westphalia
2.55451705	German_Lower_Saxony_South
2.98811184	German_Lower_Saxony_North
3.82543231	Dutch
3.85260008	Dutch_North
3.93023948	Dutch_Central
4.32769366	German_Schleswig-Holstein
4.46948234	Icelandic
4.49256635	Danish
4.89791919	Swedish_Götaland
4.90479636	Norwegian
4.94772345	Norwegian_Southcentral
5.43662003	Swedish
5.55120954	English_North
5.56085177	Swedish_West-Svealand
5.57446073	English_Southeast
5.60332467	English_Midlands
5.67229780	German_Hamburg
5.69887510	Scottish_G?idhealtachd
5.70376169	English
5.86918072	Orcadian
6.02492260	Scottish_Northeast
6.07982338	Scottish
6.17798166	Scottish_East
6.28108091	Welsh
6.36892592	Scottish_Southwest
6.45677453	Scottish_North-Highlands
6.53471594	English_Southwest
6.62582013	Dutch_South
6.70757910	German_Hither_Pomerania
6.75791184	Irish_Leinster
7.01822929	German
7.03027790	German_Mecklenburg_West
7.08819669	Irish_Connacht
7.09786217	German_Brandenburg_Northwest
7.23798676	Irish
7.55760560	Irish_Munster
7.71304268	Flemish
8.01980096	German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
8.08260431	Irish_Ulster
8.25594225	German_North_Moravia
8.26829108	German_Mecklenburg_Center/East
8.27206579	Swedish_East-Svealand
8.54733832	Belgian
8.80568324	French_Brittany
8.92013214	German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
9.49376281	German_Frisian
9.72418621	German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
9.72503765	French_Normandy
9.92102678	German_North_Rhine

PCA

**Lucas** · 02-02-2022, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf

I remade the average adding Poprad and excluding samples with less than 70% Germanic_Celtic ancestry in this table shared by Riverman on Anthrogenica.

Spoiler!

Code:

Germanic_NEW,47.21225,27.04175,10.47575,6.98725,3.11875,1.076,1.32075,0.35375,0.4465,0.54,0.81475,0.37625,0.23475

Distances

Code:

Distance to:	Germanic_NEW
2.50853192	German_Westphalia
2.55451705	German_Lower_Saxony_South
2.98811184	German_Lower_Saxony_North
3.82543231	Dutch
3.85260008	Dutch_North
3.93023948	Dutch_Central
4.32769366	German_Schleswig-Holstein
4.46948234	Icelandic
4.49256635	Danish
4.89791919	Swedish_Götaland
4.90479636	Norwegian
4.94772345	Norwegian_Southcentral
5.43662003	Swedish
5.55120954	English_North
5.56085177	Swedish_West-Svealand
5.57446073	English_Southeast
5.60332467	English_Midlands
5.67229780	German_Hamburg
5.69887510	Scottish_G?idhealtachd
5.70376169	English
5.86918072	Orcadian
6.02492260	Scottish_Northeast
6.07982338	Scottish
6.17798166	Scottish_East
6.28108091	Welsh
6.36892592	Scottish_Southwest
6.45677453	Scottish_North-Highlands
6.53471594	English_Southwest
6.62582013	Dutch_South
6.70757910	German_Hither_Pomerania
6.75791184	Irish_Leinster
7.01822929	German
7.03027790	German_Mecklenburg_West
7.08819669	Irish_Connacht
7.09786217	German_Brandenburg_Northwest
7.23798676	Irish
7.55760560	Irish_Munster
7.71304268	Flemish
8.01980096	German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
8.08260431	Irish_Ulster
8.25594225	German_North_Moravia
8.26829108	German_Mecklenburg_Center/East
8.27206579	Swedish_East-Svealand
8.54733832	Belgian
8.80568324	French_Brittany
8.92013214	German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
9.49376281	German_Frisian
9.72418621	German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
9.72503765	French_Normandy
9.92102678	German_North_Rhine

PCA

Yes probably more close to original. Good work.

**Leto** · 02-03-2022, 03:30 PM

Since I refuse to participate in the taxonomy bullshit, I'm gonna post this in this thread

Originally Posted by Leto

Hi, do you think Franziska Brandmann from the FDP youth wing is fully German? She looks so Eastern, not even proper Slavic Russian but rather Uralic/Finno-Ugric. I can't find any information on her other than the birthplace which is Münster, NRW.

Spoiler!

Would love to see her autosomal. Keep her name in mind, perhaps she would appear on Gedmatch one day in case you also frequently browse through match lists.

The most Mongoloid-looking (potential) ethnic German I've ever seen in my life. Mind-blowing if true.

**~~PaulieVanZant~~** · 02-03-2022, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

Since I refuse to participate in the taxonomy bullshit, I'm gonna post this in this thread

The most Mongoloid-looking (potential) ethnic German I've ever seen in my life. Mind-blowing if true.

Well there is also Armin Laschet: