Cuba vs Espirito Santo Brasil which Is whiter?

[ANXIETY (ADEPT)]

Also, i can risk to say Espirito Santo have considerable more pure whites than Cuba( some immigrants made cities only for their ethnicity there like Santa Maria de Jetiba, Pomeranian city. So some of them may have been "endogamous" on their own community, just like happened in the south of the country).

I just assumed, but looking at the map is Espirito Santo not southern Brazil??

[Generalissimo]

I just assumed, but looking at the map is Espirito Santo not southern Brazil??

It's southeast

[Sasaolo68]

It's southeast

This map here seems very accurate about Espírito Santo, the northern areas of the state used to be part of Bahia for some time though, and it seems a bit less euro.

Blue: Caucasian majority

[Tutankhamun]

Eu acho Cuba muita negra com uns pockets de pessoas 90% espanholas

Mas no geral imagino Cuba sendo bem negra e mulata como DR, porém com mais brancos e negros puros.

Os médicos cubanos tendem a ser não brancos

Mas as youtubers cubanas aqui no Brasil como Zoe Martinez e Jane Pons são brancas, a Nayi Mora é euro parda talvez. Não tem um youtuber cubano homem.

No documentário do Cameran Man em Cuba da Netflix que inclusive chorei umas 3 vezes quando assisti é uns 2/3 de negros e mulatos com 1/3 de espanhóis.

A família dos Burregos, as cenas dos hospitais e as pessoas que tentavam sair sendo perseguidas pela população, os engenheiros vendendo artesanato na feira, a decadência generalizada, os médicos trabalhando praticamente de graça, difícil dizer a parte mais emocionante.

Eu também vi esse documentário, e confirmou aquilo que eu já pensava.. Cuba junto com Argentina, Uruguai e Brasil são os únicos países latinos em que você pode encontrar pessoas com aparência branca em praticamente todas as camadas da sociedade, na minha opinião Cuba seria algo em torno de 35-40% Branca e o restante mulata/quadroon e negra.

[J.Haddadd]

Eu também vi esse documentário, e confirmou aquilo que eu já pensava.. Cuba junto com Argentina, Uruguai e Brasil são os únicos países latinos em que você pode encontrar pessoas com aparência branca em praticamente todas as camadas da sociedade, na minha opinião Cuba seria algo em torno de 35-40% Branca e o restante mulata/quadroon e negra.

Most Cubans are either Spaniards/people mostly Spaniard or real mulattos/blacks (50%+ Sub-Saharan). Most of what Latin Americans call quadroon around here are actually terceroons (60-65% Euro) or mulattoes (50% Euro) if you add the Amerindian part to the non-white ancestry, people of real 75% European, 25% Sub-Saharan with no Amerindian ancestry almost do not exist in Latin America.

Espírito Santo in Brazil is far whiter than Cuba. Actually it is the third most European Brazilian state.

[Rafael Passoni]

The white Cubans I've seen are 100% Europeans by ancestry.

[Sasaolo68]

Most Cubans are either Spaniards/people mostly Spaniard or real mulattos/blacks (50%+ Sub-Saharan). Most of what Latin Americans call quadroon around here are actually terceroons (60-65% Euro) or mulattoes (50% Euro) if you add the Amerindian part to the non-white ancestry, people of real 75% European, 25% Sub-Saharan with no Amerindian ancestry almost do not exist in Latin America.

Espírito Santo in Brazil is far whiter than Cuba. Actually it is the third most European Brazilian state.

The third most european? I thought that Paraná, Rio Grande do Sul, São Paulo and Santa Catarina were more euro than Espírito Santo. And i don't think that Espírito Santo is far whiter than Cuba...

[J.Haddadd]

The third most european? I thought that Paraná, Rio Grande do Sul, São Paulo and Santa Catarina were more euro than Espírito Santo. And i don't think that Espírito Santo is far whiter than Cuba...

Espírito Santo comes out more European than São Paulo and Paraná in many studies. The latter two have a higher number of self-declared whites but it is possible that many of those whites are pardos or mestizos who think they are white. Paraná and São Paulo are more on par with Minas Gerais than with Rio Grande do Sul and Santa Catarina imo. I believe that São Paulo's europeaness is the most overestimated by Brazilians.

[Sasaolo68]

Paraná and São Paulo are more on par with Minas Gerais than with Rio Grande do Sul and Santa Catarina imo. I believe that São Paulo's europeaness is the most overestimated by Brazilians.

I agree a bit with the last sentence, but i don't think that Paraná is more on par with Minas Gerais than with Rio Grande do Sul.

São Paulo "europeaness" is a bit overestimated because of the Levantine immigration for example, they are still mostly caucasian though. Also there are many people from São Paulo with minor Amerindian/SSA admix too.

[J.Haddadd]

I agree a bit with the last sentence, but i don't think that Paraná is more on par with Minas Gerais than with Rio Grande do Sul.

São Paulo "europeaness" is a bit overestimated because of the Levantine immigration for example, they are still mostly caucasian though. Also there are many people from São Paulo with minor Amerindian/SSA admix too.

The problem with those estimates is that all Latin American nations, Brazil being the most extreme case, have even micro-regional differences. The countries and states are largely artificial and arbitrary, with many regions overlapping more with neighbouring places despite political borders. So if you sample e.g. Northern Paraná vs Southern Minas Gerais, it is possible that Minas Gerais will come out more European, but if you sample Western Paraná vs Vale do Jequitinhonha, the former will look like Santa Catarina while the latter like Northeast Brazil. It also depends on the age of people being sampled as in all Brazilian regions the older people will be more European on average than the younglings.

I believe São Paulo state was very European between 1920-1950, but not so much nowadays, at least not as much as places like Santa Catarina and Rio Grande do Sul. These two are by far the more European regions of Latin America.The most common type in São Paulo among young people is likely a more equilibrated pardo with ~60% European ancestry, even though people with higher levels of European ancestry are still very numerous. The Levantine immigration had only a limited impact on the average population of São Paulo imo, the total numbers of Levantines and part-Levantines doesn't exceed 10% of the population.