As a whole, do the British look more similar to Portuguese or Ukrainians?

[Tongio]

How are neither comparable, when the weird looking blonde 2nd row up from the bottom left with the Union Jack looks Ukrainian, and the very bottom left Ukrainian girl with the police hat and girl with the soccer stickers look British? Clearly Brits look much closer to Ukrainians, but like others have pointed out, outlier Brits will look more like Portuguese, outlier Portuguese will look more British than British to Ukrainians.

Also whoever did that Ukrainian compilation really liked Ukrainians lol, esp compared to the Portuguese they picked, the group pics are fine but the individual/small group pics of Ukrainian chicks are very cherry picked, if I could count on my fingers the amount of Slavic women that looked like the bottom left Ukrainian leather jacket/police hat girl, bottom right pic in the center left with the soldiers, or 3rd row from the bottom right I'd be a Slavic nationalist right now, but alas I can't.

Good British/Ukrainian/Portuguese women comparison:

Ukrainian:







British:


(England)

(Scotland)



Portuguese:






Portuguese people just look like brown/beige people without the hijabs, obviously Brits and Ukrainians look closer to each other, even if Portuguese people probably look better than Ukrainians.

First these portuguese girls look deformed maybe they are on test or smth, so you sir have a very peculiar taste, apart from that overall very good anal-ysis, i couldnt do better myself while eating a pack of cheetos.

[Russki]

It's true Germanic can be modeled as basically something like Irish+Baltic

Irish + Estonians is more fitting.

Cephalic index of Estonians is also more suitable.

Estonians despite Siberian admixture have a lower cephalic index than Balts.

[Ruggery]

@solaris: Doubtless what you said was in part a joke, but still if we could argue that the substantial number of blondish Brits is due to being 'tainted' by Vikings, Saxons and Danes, then couldn't we argue that the substantial number of raven-haired and olive-skinned Portuguese is due to being 'tainted' by Moors? For that matter, a lot of Ukrainians look part-Asian (or Tatar) too.

The word "tainted" wasn't in a depreciative way. I'm also "tainted".
It was just that it substituted the inhabitants of the british isles in a big manner.

Yes and no, the difference is that north-african populations before the full islamization were more similar to their european mediterranean counterparts. In the north-african genepool you'll find as well iberian, italian or other europeans that came from the roman and goths time when that region was governed by europeans and existed amicable trade networks connecting both people (Also from european muslims in the time of Reconquista). North-african with the islamization distanced from the mediterranean europe because of islam/christianity divide and more negroid and middle east genes entered in the region than previously happening the opposite with the european genes. In the time of the al-andalus berber people were not so much influenced like nowadays are by negroid and * middle-Eastern admixtures. Iberian people and berber people at the time had also similarities but also differences like i.e. the portuguese and the british.

The difference in phenotypes between the inhabitants of the british isles before / after the viking invasion was more clear than the Iberian / N. Africa.
And don't think that the majority of iberians are NA type-like because they aren't. They exist but are far from being the norm.

Also, it's wrong to assume the composition of a people by the simple colour of eyes and hair. Anthropologically, what even has more importance are the craneal features, nose, mouth, eye shape than the simple pigmentation. So, you can't differenciate south europeans and NA by the pigmentation or hair colour because there are similarities between all mediterraneans, but by their cranial features in which one can see if they are european or NA.

And in that the difference between iberians and NA go a long way. ofc there are exceptions like iberian looking moroccans or algerians or the opposite way but they aren't the norm.

Even before the Germanic arrivals to the British Isles, the British Celts already looked different from the Portuguese.

[solarisregvm]

The picture with the girls with the green and red lists is from a team of Madeira.
One guy portraits portuguese with a brazilian picture and other with a madeiran team. Next time to be even more close maybe insert guanches or cape-verdians. wtf

btw, volleyball portuguese team against Slovenia



About the phrase:
Portuguese people just look like brown/beige people without the hijabs, obviously Brits and Ukrainians look closer to each other, even if Portuguese people probably look better than Ukrainians.


I already told this here and every iberian would say the same.

Why many times portuguese looks can be very deceiving:

Her Facebook page with her playing guitar:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=381942052550456

And forgetting again the effect of UV in the skin. Lisbon is the capital with the most sunny days in Europe. More than 300 days with 12 hours or more daily of sunshine, adding up.

"Even before the Germanic arrivals to the British Isles, the British Celts already looked different from the Portuguese."

Never I wrote they were the same but shared similarities. In fact before the [scandinavian] invasion the british had more similarities with iberians than scandinavians. You can see that in remote parts of the isles like Wales or Cornwall in which they weren't so much affected by the invasion in the genepool.

You can see the similarity i.e. on the facebook link I shared above or



basically the R1b haplogroup in full splendour. With their differences but with more similarities between them than differences.

[Ruggery]

@solarisregvm Yes, you are right without the Germanics they look more similar to the Iberians but still on average they look different.
Welsh team

[Defcon2]

Portuguese people just look like brown/beige people without the hijabs

then couldn't we argue that the substantial number of raven-haired and olive-skinned Portuguese is due to being 'tainted' by Moors?

Conclusion: the Portuguese people belong to the Arab world.

[Ruggery]

Conclusion: the Portuguese people belong to the Arab world.

[Peterski]

It's true Germanic can be modeled as basically something like Irish+Baltic, but Germanic has still been seperated from Balto-Slavic from since the Bell Beaker/CW split thousands of years ago, and split off with Insular British much later, so they are definitely closer to Insular Celts.

^ Germanic could not split from Insular Celtic later than 4500 years ago.

And very likely that split happened much earlier, maybe 5000+ years ago.

[Tooting Carmen]

The word "tainted" wasn't in a depreciative way. I'm also "tainted".
It was just that it substituted the inhabitants of the british isles in a big manner.

Yes and no, the difference is that north-african populations before the full islamization were more similar to their european mediterranean counterparts. In the north-african genepool you'll find as well iberian, italian or other europeans that came from the roman and goths time when that region was governed by europeans and existed amicable trade networks connecting both people (Also from european muslims in the time of Reconquista). North-african with the islamization distanced from the mediterranean europe because of islam/christianity divide and more negroid and middle east genes entered in the region than previously happening the opposite with the european genes. In the time of the al-andalus berber people were not so much influenced like nowadays are by negroid and * middle-Eastern admixtures. Iberian people and berber people at the time had also similarities but also differences like i.e. the portuguese and the british.

The difference in phenotypes between the inhabitants of the british isles before / after the viking invasion was more clear than the Iberian / N. Africa.
And don't think that the majority of iberians are NA type-like because they aren't. They exist but are far from being the norm.

Also, it's wrong to assume the composition of a people by the simple colour of eyes and hair. Anthropologically, what even has more importance are the craneal features, nose, mouth, eye shape than the simple pigmentation. So, you can't differenciate south europeans and NA by the pigmentation or hair colour because there are similarities between all mediterraneans, but by their cranial features in which one can see if they are european or NA.

And in that the difference between iberians and NA go a long way. ofc there are exceptions like iberian looking moroccans or algerians or the opposite way but they aren't the norm.

(1) I never said that most Iberians look North African or vice versa, but certainly some do in both directions. (2) The substantial swarthy minority among Iberians (and Southern Euros in general) surely pre-dates any Arab/Berber/Turkish incursions and is just an expression of ENF in its 'purer' form, even if MENA invasions and mixing may have added to it. (3) In addition, it is also fallacious to assume that the people of the British Isles didn't have a significant blonde strain before the Scandinavian and Saxon incursions. Do you have evidence that pre-AS/Viking Brits were genetically and physiologically closer to Iberians than to Scandinavians? (4) Regarding (3), I have posted lots of threads about Welsh people and to a lesser extent Southwestern English people for you to look at.

[Oliver109]

(1) I never said that most Iberians look North African or vice versa, but certainly some do in both directions. (2) The substantial swarthy minority among Iberians (and Southern Euros in general) surely pre-dates any Arab/Berber/Turkish incursions and is just an expression of ENF in its 'purer' form, even if MENA invasions and mixing may have added to it. (3) In addition, it is also fallacious to assume that the people of the British Isles didn't have a significant blonde strain before the Scandinavian and Saxon incursions. Do you have evidence that pre-AS/Viking Brits were genetically and physiologically closer to Iberians than to Scandinavians? (4) Regarding (3), I have posted lots of threads about Welsh people and to a lesser extent Southwestern English people for you to look at.

Wasnt blonde hair basically of Germanic/Scandinavian origin? i dont know how pre Celtic Britons looked but it was probably much more brunet than now, blonde hair always seems to be linked to a Germanic origin.