Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

[shuzam87]

[/B]u;7089812]@Leto as far I know(i once made a y-dna map if Turkey lol) there is one person with haplogroup O in Tunceli. Also it seems this haplogroup is existing, even it is very rare, among Anatolian Turks. On the other hand i never saw haplogroup C in Turkey. We need more samples but I carefully claim that this is not of Mongolian origin, it seems they didn’t left any genetic trace in Anatolia(even not Y-Dna).

Like these two Turkish samples from the journal research article "The genetic structure of the Turkish population":

SRS8752578/TR-N24
Gedmatch Kit Number: KT9843959
Ydna: O-Y14462 https://www.yfull.com/tree/O-Y14462/ [/B] Mtdna: T1a1 https://www.yfull.com/mtree/T1a1/

Gedrosia 15.15 Pct
Siberian 4.62 Pct
Northwest_African 1.17 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 13.87 Pct
North_European 10.27 Pct
South_Asian 1.05 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.56 Pct
East_Asian 5.38 Pct
Caucasus 36.6 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.34 Pct

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turkish_Dodecad @ 10.538938
2 Turks_Behar @ 10.674367
3 Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 16.447598
4 Lebanese_Behar @ 17.314287
5 Kurd_Dodecad @ 17.827120
6 Kurds_Yunusbayev @ 18.000826
7 Iranian_Dodecad @ 18.051088
8 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 18.573223
9 Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 19.083956
10 Turkmens_Yunusbayev @ 19.156813
11 Kumyks_Yunusbayev @ 19.490728
12 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 19.605207
13 Iranians_Behar @ 20.129820
14 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 20.137522
15 Syrians_Behar @ 20.193918
16 Cypriots_Behar @ 20.440783
17 Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 20.737528
18 Georgia_Jews_Behar @ 20.877165
19 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 20.922476
20 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar @ 21.280399

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar +50% Turkmens_Yunusbayev @ 4.848722


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar +25% O_Italian_Dodecad +25% Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.170918


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Armenian_Dodecad + Iranian_Jews_Behar + O_Italian_Dodecad + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.064093
2 Armenians_15_Yunusbayev + Iraq_Jews_Behar + O_Italian_Dodecad + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.148623
3 Assyrian_Dodecad + Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + O_Italian_Dodecad + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.167075
4 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + O_Italian_Dodecad + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.170918
5 Armenians_15_Yunusbayev + Iranian_Jews_Behar + O_Italian_Dodecad + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.219484
6 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Georgia_Jews_Behar + O_Italian_Dodecad + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.221625
7 Assyrian_Dodecad + Georgia_Jews_Behar + O_Italian_Dodecad + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.296650
8 Assyrian_Dodecad + Assyrian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.297603
9 C_Italian_Dodecad + Georgia_Jews_Behar + Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.306015
10 Armenian_Dodecad + Iraq_Jews_Behar + O_Italian_Dodecad + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.306782
11 Armenian_Dodecad + C_Italian_Dodecad + Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.316679
12 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + C_Italian_Dodecad + Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.337570
13 Armenians_15_Yunusbayev + C_Italian_Dodecad + Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.356321
14 Assyrian_Dodecad + C_Italian_Dodecad + Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.376888
15 Armenians_15_Yunusbayev + Iranian_Jews_Behar + TSI30_Metspalu + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.407620
16 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Georgia_Jews_Behar + TSI30_Metspalu + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.569040
17 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Iranian_Jews_Behar + O_Italian_Dodecad + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.613130
18 Georgia_Jews_Behar + Georgia_Jews_Behar + TSI30_Metspalu + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.629331
19 Georgia_Jews_Behar + Tuscan_HGDP + Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.633304
20 Georgia_Jews_Behar + Iranian_Jews_Behar + TSI30_Metspalu + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.680898

SRS8752205/TR-C16
Gedmatch Kit Number: FS1578762
Ydna: O-MF87972 https://www.yfull.com/tree/O-MF87972/ Mtdna: T1b4 https://www.yfull.com/mtree/T1b4/

Gedrosia 13.01 Pct
Siberian 1.46 Pct
Northwest_African 0.82 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 11.73 Pct
North_European 9 Pct
South_Asian 1.06 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 12.7 Pct
East_Asian 3.21 Pct
Caucasus 46.58 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.43 Pct

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turkish_Dodecad @ 3.465718
2 Turks_Behar @ 4.046715
3 Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 11.712509
4 Georgia_Jews_Behar @ 12.058392
5 Armenian_Dodecad @ 12.435893
6 Armenians_15_Yunusbayev @ 12.757170
7 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar @ 13.235887
8 Assyrian_Dodecad @ 13.502331
9 Cypriots_Behar @ 14.055245
10 Lebanese_Behar @ 14.555731
11 Druze_HGDP @ 14.771879
12 Armenians_Behar @ 15.114288
13 Iranian_Jews_Behar @ 16.000877
14 Iraq_Jews_Behar @ 16.213833
15 Kurds_Yunusbayev @ 17.271379
16 Kumyks_Yunusbayev @ 17.766714
17 Kurd_Dodecad @ 18.338299
18 Iranian_Dodecad @ 18.730408
19 Syrians_Behar @ 18.964449
20 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 19.443567

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Turkish_Dodecad +50% Turks_Behar @ 3.318744


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenians_15_Yunusbayev +25% Nogais_Yunusbayev +25% Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 2.683592


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Georgians_Behar + Greek_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar + Turkmens_Yunusbayev @ 2.154946
2 Abhkasians_Yunusbayev + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar + Turkmens_Yunusbayev @ 2.163674
3 C_Italian_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + Samaritians_Behar + Turkmens_Yunusbayev @ 2.187079
4 Armenians_15_Yunusbayev + Georgia_Jews_Behar + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 2.198841
5 Armenian_Dodecad + Georgia_Jews_Behar + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 2.236904
6 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Assyrian_Dodecad + Assyrian_Dodecad + Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 2.242605
7 Abhkasians_Yunusbayev + Samaritians_Behar + Sicilian_Dodecad + Turkmens_Yunusbayev @ 2.267072
8 Armenians_15_Yunusbayev + Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Assyrian_Dodecad + Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 2.268383
9 Iraq_Jews_Behar + North_Ossetians_Yunusbayev + Sephardic_Jews_Behar + Turkish_Dodecad @ 2.287608
10 Georgians_Behar + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar + Turkmens_Yunusbayev @ 2.291774
11 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Assyrian_Dodecad + Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 2.306846
12 Armenians_15_Yunusbayev + Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Assyrian_Dodecad + Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 2.311067
13 Armenian_Dodecad + Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Iranian_Jews_Behar + Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 2.323125
14 Balkars_Yunusbayev + Iraq_Jews_Behar + Sephardic_Jews_Behar + Turkish_Dodecad @ 2.335863
15 Armenian_Dodecad + Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Assyrian_Dodecad + Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 2.348315
16 Iraq_Jews_Behar + North_Ossetians_Yunusbayev + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad + Turks_Behar @ 2.351896
17 Armenian_Dodecad + Cypriots_Behar + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 2.351982
18 Balkars_Yunusbayev + Iraq_Jews_Behar + Sephardic_Jews_Behar + Turks_Behar @ 2.378908
19 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Assyrian_Dodecad + Georgia_Jews_Behar + Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 2.379845
20 Armenian_Dodecad + Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Assyrian_Dodecad + Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 2.380053

They all seem to be sharing a common ancestor with the other Chinese samples.

[Sora]

That's interesting and rare. It's my first time seeing O-M95 in Turks btw.

I have also seen Turk who tested O-F8 and O-F706 from the previous 23andme Reddit and forum before. This guy from Turkey who got O-F8 as Ydna and W6 as mtDNA: https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/com...theast_turkey/

There are also people from Russia who tested under the O-M95 subclade before on Yfull: https://www.yfull.com/tree/O-Y68888/

Seriously interesting! I wonder their actual province they're from in Turkey

Btw, I recognized you from somewhere but couldn't remember

[Mejgusu]

Seriously interesting! I wonder their actual province they're from in Turkey

Btw, I recognized you from somewhere but couldn't remember

First one could be from Central parts, second one is indeed interesting having low Gedrosia, otherwise I would surely say he is from NE-Turkey.

[shuzam87]

Seriously interesting! I wonder their actual province they're from in Turkey

Btw, I recognized you from somewhere but couldn't remember

Prob from Anthrogenica As for the two Turkish DNA samples, the first guy was from Northern Turkey and the second guy was from Central Turkey. Unfortunately, I forgot where is the O-F706 Turkish guy from again but I did save his 23andme result:

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[Arzanene]

Target: SRS8752578
Distance: 1.5619% / 1.56187951 | ADC: 0.5x RC
32.3 Turkmen_Turkmenistan
31.3 Greek_Cappadocia
22.3 Greek_Kos
10.1 Kurd_Sorani
4.0 Circassian


Target: SRS8752578
Distance: 1.5891% / 1.58906859 | ADC: 0.5x RC
43.7 Turkmen_Iran
32.6 Greek_Cappadocia
23.5 Greek_Kos
0.2 Circassian


Target: Tat_khizi
Distance: 1.9951% / 1.99505199 | ADC: 0.5x RC
57.0 Kurd_Sorani
43.0 Circassian

Target: Tat_khizi
Distance: 1.1432% / 1.14324201 | ADC: 0.25x RC
35.8 Kurd_Sorani
17.0 Adyghe
15.9 Circassian
13.2 Chechen
11.7 Iranian_Zoroastrian
4.1 Yemenite_Mahra
2.3 Greek_Fournoi



Target: Azeri_mianeh
Distance: 1.1393% / 1.13927886 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.6 Iranian_Central
26.6 Circassian
10.8 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
7.3 Greek_Crete
4.2 Kuwait2
0.5 Palestinian_Christian

Target: Azeri_mianeh
Distance: 2.1817% / 2.18166318 | ADC: 0.5x RC
57.1 Iranian_Central
18.1 Circassian
13.4 Greek_Crete
11.4 Turkmen_Turkmenistan

[Kyp]

That's interesting and rare. It's my first time seeing O-M95 in Turks btw.

I have also seen Turk who tested O-F8 and O-F706 from the previous 23andme Reddit and forum before. This guy from Turkey who got O-F8 as Ydna and W6 as mtDNA: https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/com...theast_turkey/

There are also people from Russia who tested under the O-M95 subclade before on Yfull: https://www.yfull.com/tree/O-Y68888/

There are quite a few Azerbaijanis with ydna O.

For example this one is paternally from Tabriz and maternally Persian from Teheran, his Y-DNA is O2a1c2:

Gedrosian: 24.33
Siberian: 3.13
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 1.30
Atlantic_Med: 7.38
North_European: 8.28
South_Asian 1.70
East_African 0.06
Southwest_Asian: 12.49
East_Asian: 0.59
Caucasian: 39.51
SSA: 1.24

[Begtios]

Can you guys interpret this?

Test,21.2,3.21,0.20,0.95,9.09,6.36,1.76,1.04,16.06 ,2.13,38.02,0

Thanks.

[Sterling Archer]

Can you guys interpret this?

Test,21.2,3.21,0.20,0.95,9.09,6.36,1.76,1.04,16.06 ,2.13,38.02,0

Thanks.

Is this your result? The closest population are Turkmens from Iraq, although this result is a bit more northern than usual and has higher mongoloid:

Distance to: Test
3.72252602 Turkmen_Iraq
4.87385884 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.06388191 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.10077445 Turk_Southeast
5.56886883 Azerbaijani_Republic
6.07710457 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.19518361 Zaza/Kurd_Turkey
6.31670009 Yazidi
6.98540622 Iraqi_Baghdad
7.12995792 Kurd_Sorani
8.11699452 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.47338775 Iranian_Lur
8.80461811 Kurd_Feyli
8.84341563 Turk_Central_East
8.92802330 Iranian_Central
9.47652362 Turk_South
9.60339523 Iranian_Fars
9.64355225 Turk_East
9.98526915 Iranian_Zoroastrian
10.23688429 Mandean
10.26751187 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.60390966 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.63962875 Turk_Central_West
10.83630011 Iranian_Arab
11.09472397 Azerbaijani_Jew

[Begtios]

Is this your result? The closest population are Turkmens from Iraq, although this result is a bit more northern than usual and has higher mongoloid.

Not mine.

I don't trust the Turkmen_Iraq average in Vahaduo. I think they got the samples from the Iraqi DNA Project. I'm trying to create my own average cuz i don't think Iraqi DNA Project has done a clean job there. For now there are two samples, both from Kirkuk and they are pretty close to each other. They are 8/8 Iraqi Turkmen. When I calculate the distance with using the dual tool in Vahaduo, my samples tend to slightly shift towards Western Anatolia.

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[Arzanene]

Can you guys interpret this?

Test,21.2,3.21,0.20,0.95,9.09,6.36,1.76,1.04,16.06 ,2.13,38.02,0

Thanks.

Target: Test
Distance: 1.6886% / 1.68856665 | ADC: 0.25x RC
41.2 Iranian_Lur
31.3 Assyrian_North
15.7 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
6.9 Greek_Central
4.9 Bedouin


Target: Test
Distance: 1.6376% / 1.63760956 | ADC: 0.25x RC
44.3 Kurd_Sorani
30.8 Assyrian_West
16.3 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.7 Greek_Kos
3.9 Bedouin