Are you happy with your haplogroups?

[Scandal]

He loves white people and I salute him for that. Enough of the Negro worship. Also his son is half German American, almost a white male.

Almost a white male lol. I'm predicting his light skin black child will be a BLM supporter like Shaun King, not a Rethelite like you.

[Petalpusher]

R1 is siberian in origin dude, ancient north eurasian ,the ones that introduced it to Europe, were 25% east asian.

IEs were a bit Oceanians/South Asians but not 25% East Asians. ANE was probably in the grand scheme of thing 1/3 Eastern Eurasian or more precisely ENA, but at this point we could consider everything just Eurasian or simply "Non African", not yet particularly East or West Eurasian. Besides you had some R1 in early mesolithic Europe anyway and they didn't show any relevant level of East Asian, nor ANE for that matter, like Villabruna or Maltaverne. Even though haplos tend to become more relevant as we travel back in time, since contacts were far and few between the initial spreads, haplos were already not a guarantee of anything ethnically at that point. So 10 000 years later in the Bronze Age..

In the same way Finns are over 60% N but they are clearly not 60% East Asian admixed. Things get skewed quickly paternaly. The have little R yet quite IE, and ANE relatively within Europe. In other words it translates so poorly nowadays as to what you are, it's completely meaningless for the kind of conversation people think they have about haplos usually.

[Tongio]

IEs were a bit Oceanians/South Asians but not 25% East Asians. ANE was probably in the grand scheme of thing 1/3 Eastern Eurasian or more precisely ENA, but at this point we could consider everything just Eurasian or simply "Non African", not yet particularly East or West Eurasian. Besides you had some R1 in early mesolithic Europe anyway and they didn't show any relevant level of East Asian, nor ANE for that matter, like Villabruna or Maltaverne. Even though haplos tend to become more relevant as we travel back in time, since contacts were far and few between the initial spreads, haplos were already not a guarantee of anything ethnically at that point. So 10 000 years later in the Bronze Age..

In the same way Finns are over 60% N but they are clearly not 60% East Asian admixed. Things get skewed quickly paternaly. The have little R yet quite IE, and ANE relatively within Europe. In other words it translates so poorly nowadays as to what you are, it's completely meaningless for the kind of conversation people think they have about haplos usually.

I dont think so, at that point it is already possible to separate early west eurasian from ancient eastern eurasian and 99% of european R1 comes from this mixed population(ANE), not from western Hunter gatherers.

[Petalpusher]

I dont think so, at that point It is already possible to separate early west eurasian from ancient eastern eurasian 99% of european R1 comes from this mixed population(ANE), not from western Hunter gatherers.

ANE and AG are closer to WHG than to any East Asian population. ANE did split with Kostenki from something close to Ust-Ishim, which ultimately leaded to something more West Eurasian in the Paleolithic, then WHG and in between (SHG-EHG). Everything is from that ENA cline in the "hunters" stuff with a parallel basal Eurasian line staying closer to the near east and probably some interactions in between (until it really formed the Anatolian hunter Pibarsi with some WHG in the Balkans).

40Ky to 25Ky yes everything was more East Eurasian in today's terms but because nothing was that West Eurasian yet in that branch. It's the same for East Asians though, as result they became more and more removed from West Eurasians. We both drifted several ways apart from a common intial branch of Eurasians or Eastern Non Africans. It doesnt make much sense to see ANE as Japanese or Chinese admixed today, it was just one step with Kostenki on the path west for things to become more West Eurasian.

IEs were not 100% ANE or AG anyway. They were 1/3 ANE like when entering Europe and most Euros don't score real East Asian today, which is only mechanical as nothing is more removed West in Eurasia than Europeans so that can only be the reference for being 0% or close to 0% East Asian. In the same way East Asians are zero West Eurasian or ANE conversely. It's more a matter of perspective how much Eurasians all have in common and at what point in time. What's important is the end result and how far apart each populations have become, which is pretty much a nice triangle between Europe, East Asia and Africa, each being one corner.

[Tongio]

ANE and AG are closer to WHG than to any East Asian population.

Yes, i know they were 75-66% whg- like but they had that chunk of other thing, the R1 could have come from this chunk, just look at the distribution of Y DNA K2b .

IEs were not 100% ANE or AG anyway. They were 1/3 ANE like when entering Europe and most Euros don't score real East Asian today, which is only mechanical as nothing is more removed West in Eurasia than Europeans so that can only be the reference for being 0% or close to 0% East Asian. In the same way East Asians are zero West Eurasian or ANE conversely. It's more a matter of perspective how much Eurasians all have in common and at what point in time. What's important is the end result and how far apart each populations have become, which is pretty much a nice triangle between Europe, East Asia and Africa, each being one corner.

What does AG mean?

[Mont]

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...lian-Y-DNA-J1b

Mine is not J1b, it's J1a.

[mitalit]

I would have liked a more interesting haplogroup, but we ll see if it tells me something interesting in the Yfull

[Petalpusher]

Yes, i know they were 75-66% whg- like but they had that chunk of other thing, the R1 could have come from this chunk, just look at the distribution of Y DNA K2b .

The thing is at the time of Mal'ta, WHG didn't exist in its final form yet so you can't even make that calculation. What everybody refers to as Cro-Magnon (CM) was the current most West Eurasian thing 25Ky ago, probably along something still more Basal Eurasian (maybe even because they had interaction together already compared to the specific ANE branch) but it was certainly not more removed than some other Paleo ancients like Vestonice and Goyet.

K2b is an MtDNA not a Y-DNA. What about it? It's linked to IE Andronovo and relatively common in NW-W Europe although nowhere near as much as H. In general invaders of different periods were mostly men, they were taking local's wife and people's lunch money, so mt are even more poorly linked to new influences in general.

What does AG mean?

AfontovaGora, bit later progression of ANE towards West Eurasia.

[Grace O'Malley]

Haplogroups are meaningless when it comes to identity. I don't see how one can be happy or unhappy about them.
A German with haplogroup I won't identify with I Serbs instead of R Germans.

I think most ydna is fairly localised if you get something like the Big Y or even if you just get 23&Me which is where I found my paternal line is M222 which is very Northwestern Irish and where my father was from. So it goes a long way back on the island of Ireland. I'm really proud of being of that line. My mtdna however is all over the place. There is Russians, Swedes, Polish, Ukrainians even someone from Mongolia. So it is very interesting looking at these. Obviously mtdna is a lot more varied than ydna.

[Tongio]

TheK2b is an MtDNA not a Y-DNA. What about it? It's linked to IE Andronovo and relatively common in NW-W Europe although nowhere near as much as H. In general invaders of different periods were mostly men, they were taking local's wife and people's lunch money, so mt are even more poorly linked to new influences in general.




AfontovaGora, bit later progression of ANE towards West Eurasia.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/K2b/
I was not talking about MTdna .
I have seen living people with K in the philipines, downstream P branch ancestral to R is present in a séries of southeast asian places that were never touched by indo europeans and have 0 ANE blood like you said yourself.
Some of the few philipine samples on FTDNA:
K-M9
691877 Bartolome Santos b~1875 Lingayen, Philippines Philippines K-M9
241731 Verano Unknown Origin K-M9
498530 Maximo Tolentino, Aklan, Philippines Philippines P-FT270000

From the forbidden Wikipedia:
"P(xP1) Edit
Because P2 (P-B253) was discovered relatively recently, it is not always clear if older studies have screened for it. Therefore, cases of basal P* (also known as P-P295*; K2b2*; PxM45, B253) reported in literature may include P2.

P(xP1) exists at low to moderate levels among various groups in Island South East Asia, the South West Pacific and East Asia.[3]

P* is found at its highest rate among members of the Aeta (or Agta), a people indigenous to Luzon who formed from various ancient groups, such as Oceanians and Austronesian peoples from Taiwan.[1] Even though P1 is now more common among individuals in Eastern Siberia and Central Asia, it is suggested that P originated in southern East Asia and was once widespread.[2][3][5]

Basal P* was also found in one historical 19th-century Andaman islander.[6] along with basal P* found among a Jehai sample in Malayasia.[7]"