Which region has the highest amount of north african admixture between Iberia and Sicily ?

[Urbanuss]

Anyway, a good chunk of those % must be actually from the muslim rule of the peninsula, and probably including Galician or Asturian.

These percentages of NA are much more likely to come from historical events prior to the Muslim invasions, considering that Galicia and Asturias scores more than Andalusia. There must be one or another Galician/Asturian with true Moorish ancestry, but it must be isolated cases, considering that these regions never had moorish settlements (see my map in a previous reply) and Asturias was never conquered by kebabs.

I never denied the non-euro admix in Iberians, I just can't stand trolls emphasizing it and treating my ancestors like extra-european bastards, as if other Europeans didn't have non-euro admix (ancient or recent).

[gixajo]

Double.

[gixajo]

These percentages of NA are much more likely to come from historical events prior to the Muslim invasions, considering that Galicia and Asturias scores more than Andalusia. There must be one or another Galician/Asturian with true Moorish ancestry, but it must be isolated cases, considering that these regions never had moorish settlements (see my map in a previous reply) and Asturias was never conquered by kebabs.

I never denied the non-euro admix in Iberians, I just can't stand trolls emphasizing it and treating my ancestors like extra-european bastards, as if other Europeans didn't have non-euro admix (ancient or recent).

Your map proves nothing, it just shows known moriscos settlements from the late 16th century.

The NA and African admixture has been present in the Iberian Peninsula in small amounts since ancient times, but until we can see results of a good number of individuals from the peninsular northwest that show respectable amounts of NA admixture in times prior to the Muslim invasion of the Iberian Peninsula, I believe that the most likely option is that of internal population movements and resettlements, forced or not, during the reconquest and after it, to areas far away first from the border areas with the Muslims, and later to coastal areas or major cities to avoid large population centers of dubious fidelity.

We have talked a lot about this, here and in different forums, and we have shown things that are much more founded and interesting than your map.

If you are being trolled it is because you can be easily trolled, you have exaggerated reactions until shameful extremes to the proven fact of the NA admixture in Spanish and Portuguese.

Even I am tempted to troll you.

The "extra-European bastards" thing is ridiculous apart from a lack of respect for your ancestors, keep in mind that the NA component is extra-European, whether it is ancient or from the time of Muslim control of the peninsula.

In any case, Spain and Portugal reached the peak of their heyday being extra-European bastards, apart from that, North Africans are as respectable people or more than North Europeans, I don't understand that phobia that some of you have with them.

[Urbanuss]

Even I am tempted to troll you.

obviously i've noticed that lol

Your map proves nothing

Sure?

I don't understand that phobia that some of you have with them.

For the same reason that other europeans have "phobia" with mongols, turks, arabs, gypsies or every other shit

[Urbanuss]

The "extra-European bastards" thing is ridiculous apart from a lack of respect for your ancestors, keep in mind that the NA component is extra-European, whether it is ancient or from the time of Muslim control of the peninsula.
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If doesnt matter if are ancient or no, so this rule applies to non-euro components among other europeans?

Well, If really doesnt matter when It comes, we can say that every european is "Kebab", "Ching Chong", Sandnigger" or "South Asian Kebab Niggers" (Gedrosia) admixed.

[Urbanuss]

The NA and African admixture has been present in the Iberian Peninsula in small amounts since ancient times, but until we can see results of a good number of individuals from the peninsular northwest that show respectable amounts of NA admixture in times prior to the Muslim invasion of the Iberian Peninsula, I believe that the most likely option is that of internal population movements and resettlements, forced or not, during the reconquest and after it, to areas far away first from the border areas with the Muslims, and later to coastal areas or major cities to avoid large population centers of dubious fidelity

But weren't most of muslims just islamized Iberians? lel

Nah, i prefer to believe that ancient immigrations and historical events during Roman Empire times brought these amount of NA in NW iberia, the Reconquista was efficient.

[gixajo]

But weren't most of muslims just islamized Iberians? lel

Nah, i prefer to believe that ancient immigrations and historical events during Roman Empire times brought these amount of NA in NW iberia, the Reconquista was efficient.

The truth must be seen from the front and accepted.

It's not about believing it or not, it's how it is, and not accepting it puts you at a level of vulnerability, and that's what trolls take advantage of to provoke you.

And no, you map don´t prove anything, just iself.

I am not saying that it is not as you say, I am saying that up to now, it is not sufficient or incontestable to explain reality.

[gixajo]

We can summarize all this issue with what Feiichy said here:

Weather it's from Moors or before that, it is exact same type of Ancestry.

From there, discriminate what percentage of that admixture comes from one or another time falls within the category of hypothetical speculations.

But I believe that the reality of Muslim rule over a large part of the Iberian Peninsula and its genetic influence over modern Iberian populations is indisputable, so denying that obvious influence, try to minimize it or treat it as something negative seems pathetic to me.

And don't worry, genes don't profess any religion.

[Urbanuss]

We can summarize all this issue with what Feiichy said here:

We can include other euros in the same situation:

Weather it's from Huns and Mongols (East/North Eurasian), Ottomans (West Asian/Southwest Asian) or Gedrosia (South/Southeast Asian)or before that, it is exact same type of Ancestry.

Thats to make it clear that no European is 100%, I mean the trolls who call the Iberians "mongrels".

So every euro is mongrel lol, since we shouldn't care about when these extra-euro components became part of the European DNA.

The creator of one-drop-rule should be crying xd

But I believe that the reality of Muslim rule over a large part of the Iberian Peninsula and its genetic influence over modern Iberian populations is indisputable, so denying that obvious influence, try to minimize it or treat it as something negative seems pathetic to me.

Lel

[Urbanuss]

The truth must be seen from the front and accepted.

It's not about believing it or not, it's how it is, and not accepting it puts you at a level of vulnerability, and that's what trolls take advantage of to provoke you.

And no, you map don´t prove anything, just iself.

I am not saying that it is not as you say, I am saying that up to now, it is not sufficient or incontestable to explain reality.

Nah, i've seen a source mentioning a book saying that the supposed Moors, mostly, were native iberians converted to Islam, regarding the insignificant phenotype difference between them, i'll try to look for that source, if I find it, I'll post it here.