Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

[Guti]

CHG & Iran Neolithic are close. On any PCA chart, they cluster very closely. That's the connection between modern Kurds & Caucasian groups. Modern Kurds are mostly descended from Iran Chalcolithic, which in itself is heavily CHG derived (More so than its Iran N input). On any modern calculator, ancient Iran Chalcolithic sample clusters closest with Caucasian people like Georgians & Circassians. But try telling the idiots on Reddit that. Especially the brain-dead Turkic nationalists who claim to have more CHG input than Kurds, when they're in fact way more Anatolia & Levant driven in origin. They're much less Caucasian shifted than Kurds or Iranians. I'm personally a Zaza Kurd, and I'm almost 50% Caucasian on Dodecad K12b. Even when modelling my profile on Vahaduo I still cluster like almost 60% with the Georgian sample using the 'multi' feature when measuring my regional genetic input using modern samples.

So yes, Kurds have strong connection to CHG. Possibly stronger than some people which inhabit the Caucasus region today. I believe Azeris are much less CHG shifted than Kurds are for instance (Since they have more of an Anatolian/ Levant + minor Turkic shift).

Kurds are even by far more shifted toward CHG/Iran_ChL than the Armenians, since the Armenians are more shifted toward Anatolia. Modern autosomal admixtures in Kurds are mostly derived from CHG and not Iran_Neo.

Dodecad k12b admix results don't lie.


Of course Kurds are by far much more Caucasian/Caucasoid that the Turks. Turks are not even Caucasoid people at all.
Turks are very, very different species from us, with very different origin/roots. We can be 100% certain about that. Turks are partly Mongoloid (Eastern Eurasian) and Anatolian, while Kurds are FULLY Western Eurasian, Caucaso-Iranian people. Turks are speakers of a Mongoloid language, while Kurds are speakers of a Western Iranic (Indo-European) language.


Turks have an Altaic (Mongoloid) origin, while Kurds have an Aryan origin.

[Sterling Archer]

Azerbaijani who's maternal grandmother is Kazan Tatar. I don't know much about Kazan Tatars, but some people say that Tatar side might be mixed with Russian due to relatively low mongoloid.

[Sterling Archer]

Selam gardas. Do you have any other Azerbaijan kit ID's/ results? Like any Udi/ Uti kits for example? Would you mind sharing some with me?

Here is an Udi (from Azerbaijan) result. I think this has been posted before:


As for the Azerbaijanis, this forum is chock full of them mainly thanks to Kyp, myself and sometimes Leto. We post Azeri results all the time. Here is Azeri from Mianeh, Iran (probably can be interesting to a Kurd) that Kyp posted a while ago:

Gedrosian: 21.13
Siberian: 2.86
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.66
Atlantic_Med: 7.66
North_European: 11.02
South_Asian 4.14
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 11.90
East_Asian: 3.36
Caucasian: 37.05
SSA: 0.21

[Babak]

Kurds are even by far more shifted toward CHG/Iran_ChL than the Armenians, since the Armenians are more shifted toward Anatolia. Modern autosomal admixtures in Kurds are mostly derived from CHG and not Iran_Neo.

Dodecad k12b admix results don't lie.


Of course Kurds are by far much more Caucasian/Caucasoid that the Turks. Turks are not even Caucasoid people at all.
Turks are very, very different species from us, with very different origin/roots. We can be 100% certain about that. Turks are partly Mongoloid (Eastern Eurasian) and Anatolian, while Kurds are FULLY Western Eurasian, Caucaso-Iranian people. Turks are speakers of a Mongoloid language, while Kurds are speakers of a Western Iranic (Indo-European) language.


Turks have an Altaic (Mongoloid) origin, while Kurds have an Aryan origin.

Well turks are oghuz specifically, not mongolian lol

[Guti]

I don't know who exactly those Oghuz Turks were, but they were clearly not Caucasian/Caucasoid CHG/Irn_ChL aka Caucaso-Gedrosia people. Turkic peole are known to have a Altay-Sayan origin.


When you study the Dodecad results it looks like that CHG/Irn_ChL were high on the Caucasus and Gedrosia admixtures at the same time.
In CHG Kotias and CHG Satsurblia samples, both Caucasus & Gedrosia are high. In Trialeti (Caucasus_EMBA) samples both Caucasus & Gedrosia components are high. In modern Caucasus people such as Lezgins, both Caucasus and Gedrosia components are high.
Even in my own results both Caucasus and Gedrosia components are the most prominent components.

[Guti]

When you study the Dodecad results it looks like that CHG/Irn_ChL were high on the Caucasus and Gedrosia admixtures at the same time.
In CHG Kotias and CHG Satsurblia samples, both Caucasus & Gedrosia are high. In Trialeti (Caucasus_EMBA) samples both Caucasus & Gedrosia components are high. In modern Caucasus people such as Lezgins, both Caucasus and Gedrosia components are high.
Even in my own results both Caucasus and Gedrosia components are the most prominent components.

As you can see I am both high in 'Caucasus & Gedrosia' components. When you compare my 'Caucaso-Gedrosia' ratio to the ancient CHG folks you can conclude that I am around 73% similar to them.
My other 27% comes most likely from Anatolia/Western Mesopotamia.

My own


vs.

M603839 M551062 Kotias CHG

[orhanaa]

The result of Turk from Western İzmir is interesting in that this result is not similar to the results of other İzmir natives, because its indigenous heritage is like the mainland Greek, which shows us that especially western İzmir Greeks settled in Anatolia again in the 17th century.

Gedrosian: 12.1
Siberian: 5.64
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: 0.49
Atlantic_Med: 19.85
North_European: 16.34
South_Asian: 0.96
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 9.14
East_Asian: 4.27
Caucasian: 29.62
Sub_Saharan: 1.58

[placebo]

The result of Turk from Western İzmir is interesting in that this result is not similar to the results of other İzmir natives, because its indigenous heritage is like the mainland Greek, which shows us that especially western İzmir Greeks settled in Anatolia again in the 17th century.

Gedrosian: 12.1
Siberian: 5.64
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: 0.49
Atlantic_Med: 19.85
North_European: 16.34
South_Asian: 0.96
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 9.14
East_Asian: 4.27
Caucasian: 29.62
Sub_Saharan: 1.58

island parts of izmir probably modelled something like oghuz + mainlander greek. this result from urla, right?

[placebo]

island parts of izmir probably modelled something like oghuz + mainlander greek. this result from urla, right?

1 57.5% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 42.5% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.42
2 56% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 44% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.72
3 59.6% Greek (Dodecad) + 40.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.73
4 67.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 32.1% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 5.95
5 66% Greek (Dodecad) + 34% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 5.97
6 64.3% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 35.7% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 6
7 52.9% Tuscan (HGDP) + 47.1% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 6.06
8 73.5% Greek (Dodecad) + 26.5% Hazara (HGDP) @ 6.14
9 65.6% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 34.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 6.17
10 68.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 31.3% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 6.17
11 51.8% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 48.2% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 6.23
12 64.4% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 35.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 6.24
13 65.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 34.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 6.27
14 66.8% Turks (Behar) + 33.2% French (Dodecad) @ 6.37
15 70.5% Turks (Behar) + 29.5% British (Dodecad) @ 6.44
16 67.2% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 32.8% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 6.48
17 70.3% Turks (Behar) + 29.7% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 6.48
18 66.8% Turks (Behar) + 33.2% French (HGDP) @ 6.48
19 71.1% Turks (Behar) + 28.9% Irish (Dodecad) @ 6.55
20 71.2% Turks (Behar) + 28.8% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 6.59

[orhanaa]

island parts of izmir probably modelled something like oghuz + mainlander greek. this result from urla, right?

yes urla peninsula