"Proto-Iranians were not Northern Europeans"

[Nmiito]

What do you mean?

The Medes were ARYAN people, that's a fact. Suppose the Medes (as Western Iranics) were not native to Kurdistan and arrived in Kurdistan from SouthCentral Asia, more precisely from the Yaz area. The Medes (Western Iranics) themselves had NOTHING to do with the Andronovo Horizon.

At the end, it doesn't even matter where those Medes came from in the first place. Why? If they were native to Kurdistan they would be CHG (Iron_Age Hasanlu) and even if they were from BMAC they would be also mostly CHG, since BMAC was CHG/Irn_ChL derived itself. So no matter how you look at it, the Medes as ARYAN people (Western Iranics) were mostly related to the ancient CHG people (Northwestern Asians).


CHG (Irn_ChL) has been related to the proto-Indo-Europeans and later Iranics (Western and Eastern) from the very beginning of their respective origins

So your position is that the Medes are an unaltered version of the Mesolithic inhabitants of the same territory, largely CHG, Iran_N and Levant_N, who already spoke a Proto-Indo-European language?

[Nmiito]

I am sure that if the Medes were from YAZ, they made Kurds even more CHG/Iran_ChL, because CHG/Irn_ChL was less diluted in SouthCentral Asia than CHG in West Asia.
Kurds more CHG/Irn_ChL than Armenians, and that thanks to the Medes!


CHG/Irn_ChL = ARYAN

And yet the most CHG populations today speak Kartvelian and Caucasian languages. This doesn't seem to fit with your theory.

[Guti]

So your position is that the Medes are an unaltered version of the Mesolithic inhabitants of the same territory, largely CHG, Iran_N and Levant_N, who already spoke a Proto-Indo-European language?

My position is that IF once again IF the Medes were from SouthCentral Asia than they were mostly BMAC derived people.

BMAC has CHG/Iran_ChL origin. If you don’t believe me, I can give you link to the academic papers.
BMAC mixed a little bit the native people of Central Asia, but they kept more CHG/Iran_ChL intact than let say Armenians

[Guti]

And yet the most CHG populations today speak Kartvelian and Caucasian languages. This doesn't seem to fit with your theory.

You didn’t read the Southern Arc paper? If you have issues with the paper and the academic world, it is not really my problem.


It has been said that the proto-Hurrians and proto-Indo-Europeans share the same origin and the same ancient pre-Sumerian ancestors.

[Nmiito]

My position is that IF once again IF the Medes were from SouthCentral Asia than they were mostly BMAC derived people.

BMAC has CHG/Iran_ChL origin. If you don’t believe me, I can give you link to the academic papers.
BMAC mixed a little bit the native people of Central Asia, but they kept more CHG/Iran_ChL intact than let say Armenians

The Medes are a population contemporary to ancient Rome. Pretending that they have any importance in the ethnogenesis of any other population is stupid.
You have no idea if the Medes are of local origin and descended from a population who had been living in the same land for 10k years, or if the original Medes came from somewhere else and if they made a small or big impact in the local population (like the Huns in Hungary vs the Hazaras in Afghanistan). You don't even know if the CHG/Iran_N-like of the Medes has its origin in BMAC or from from locals CHGs. All you have is your wishful thinking.

[Nmiito]

You didn’t read the Southern Arc paper? If you have issues with the paper and the academic world, it is not really my problem.


It has been said that the proto-Hurrians and proto-Indo-Europeans share the same origin and the same ancient pre-Sumerian ancestors.

No, you're just making things up because you're clueless but desire very strongly that your theory becomes true.

You can't pretend to link an ancient population (CHG) to a macrogroup of languages (Indo-European) and then forget that the populations who today harbour the highest amount of this ancient ancestry do not speak the languages which supposedly originated in them. Not to mention the insane ties you make between ancient and modern populations and between populations with mixed origins who share the same ancient ancestry. Seriously nothing you say makes sense.

[Babak]

My position is that IF once again IF the Medes were from SouthCentral Asia than they were mostly BMAC derived people.

BMAC has CHG/Iran_ChL origin. If you don’t believe me, I can give you link to the academic papers.
BMAC mixed a little bit the native people of Central Asia, but they kept more CHG/Iran_ChL intact than let say Armenians

Except Iranics dont have the most CHG in west asia. Those would be north caucasus folks.

Bro, you're all over the place. Its clear that the original west Iranics originated from the Sintashta/Andronovo cultures.

[Guti]

The Medes are a population contemporary to ancient Rome. Pretending that they have any importance in the ethnogenesis of any other population is stupid.
You have no idea if the Medes are of local origin and descended from a population who had been living in the same land for 10k years, or if the original Medes came from somewhere else and if they made a small or big impact in the local population (like the Huns in Hungary vs the Hazaras in Afghanistan). You don't even know if the CHG/Iran_N-like of the Medes has its origin in BMAC or from from locals CHGs. All you have is your wishful thinking.

LOL.

The biblical MedES, the Aryans, and not the Meds, I don't refer to the Medeterranean people, hehe.


The Medes were direct ARYAN ancestors of the Kurds


The MedEs were the founders of the 1st Aryan Empire ever. If they were not significant than nobody is on this planet. Even more significant than the Sumerians.

[Guti]

Except Iranics dont have the most CHG in west asia. Those would be north caucasus folks.

Bro, you're all over the place. Its clear that the original west Iranics originated from the Sintashta/Andronovo cultures.

You are wrong. Iranics have, together with the modern Hurrians, the most CHG/Irn_ChL ancesty.

In the Southern Arc paper they use Irn_ChL for their CHG models.


No way in 1000 years people in Sintashta/Andronovo cultures spoke a Western Iranic dialect aka proto-Kurdic hehe. Western Iranic is either native to Kurdistan or was native to Yaz (BMAC). With other words a CHG/Iran_ChL language, period!

[Guti]

If the Medes came from SouthCentral Asia than this was most likely the case.