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    The reason was the narrative (it always is).

    Western imperialism could not (still cannot) afford having their brand new puppet kingdom start remembering their real past.

    Constantinople was the capital of the (Eastern) Orthodox Romans, not the Hellenes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheForeigner View Post
    During the 19th century and early 20th century the capital of the Ottoman Empire was still a multi-ethnic city and at least half of the population was Christian, with much of it Greek, Armenian and "Levantine" Catholics( Ottoman subjects or residents of West European descent).
    During this same period it became possible for Russia and to a lesser extent for Greece to take Constantinople from the Turk, but when an opportunity arose like before the Crimean War(1853-1856) or during the Russo-Romanian-Turkish war of 1877-1878, Britain and France opposed it. Most opposed to Russia or even Greece taking Constantinople and the straits was Britain and later Germany too. At the beginning of ww1 Britain and France signed a secret treaty with Russia, giving her Constantinople and the straits. Well, as we know, the Russian revolution made the implementation of this secret treaty impossible and after the war Greece claimed the city, but Britain and France again opposed it and it didn't happen.
    Why didn't they want Greece to have the city? I mean with Russia it was supposedly that Russians would become strong and dangerous in the Mediterranean and this threatened Britain and France's possessions and interests there, but they accepted even Russian claims in the end. Why not accept Greek claims since Greece could never threaten the western powers even as much as Turkey could?
    Why do you expect from West to support Orthodox Christians? Don't be naive.
    Even today their favorites in Balkans are Muslim Albanians and Bosniaks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    Why do you expect from West to support Orthodox Christians? Don't be naive.
    Even today their favorites in Balkans are Muslim Albanians and Bosniaks.
    Not really. They are "just" anti-Serbian.

    And pro-Greek (out of history 2000+ years ago.) So you can actually not conclude anti-Orthodoxism.
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    "Why were western powers against taking Constantinople from OttomanTurks?":

    There had evolved a notable alienation with the Byzantinians. Though they had Roman statial and Greek cultural roots, the Byzantine Empire was considered an oriental entity. Even the own inhabitants of the Byzantine Empire were pretty tired of and rejecting towards that state and its conditions. This made them prone to conversions to Islam and maybe even to Turkic language.

    To answer the question: Because Constantinople was not anymore felt as an European heritage by other Europeans.
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    Balance of powers in XIX centrury, if not the intervention in Crimean war Russia would've taken Constaninople most likely, and in Greco-Turkish war war exhaustion was too great to make any real war actions against the Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheForeigner View Post
    LOL stop daydreaming, Turks didn't invent anything and get off my thread.
    Go kill yourself maybe you can meet the one and only Emperor XI. Konstantinos Paleologos himself and ask him how he lost Istanbul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oturan Boğa View Post
    Go kill yourself maybe you can meet the one and only Emperor XI. Konstantinos Paleologos himself and ask him how he lost Istanbul.
    Oh sorry he wouldn't understand if you say Istanbul say how he lost his capital or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oturan Boğa View Post
    Go kill yourself maybe you can meet the one and only Emperor XI. Konstantinos Paleologos himself and ask him how he lost Istanbul.

    For reasons of historical accuracy, the Rhomaioi lost their empire in 1204 A.D, which is the real fall.

    The period that followed with the Latins getting bored with the lack of loot and plunder and leaving on their own accord was basically a theatre of tragedy for a dead man (empire) walking.

    Even when the Ottomans entered victorious in 1453 they were appalled by the shambles they saw of the once great empire.

    So, for the West to revive the foe that they slaughtered and plundered in 1204 would be a considerably contradictory move on their part, wouldn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not a Cop View Post
    Balance of powers in XIX centrury, if not the intervention in Crimean war Russia would've taken Constaninople most likely, and in Greco-Turkish war war exhaustion was too great to make any real war actions against the Turks.
    Yes and another good question would be, why was the Greek Kingdom so small, when it was reconstituted in 1829-1830? I mean it didn't even include Crete or Thesally and other areas like the Aegean Islands etc.

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