Dodecad Ancestry Project

[Pallantides]

No seriously, I would say you look more Asian-mixed than a Central European.

Nah I can't look Asian-mixed, since I don't have any asian ancestry(1% is likely noise remember and the same as the Norwegian average)

I got that Northern UP look.

[Graham]

44.9% North European
41.0% Atlantic Med
10.1% Gedrosia
3.9% Caucasus

0% Siberian
0% Northwest African
0% Southeast Asian
0% South Asian
0% East African
0% Sub Saharan

[Barreldriver]

My Oracle results based on the K12b run:

DodecadOracle(c(8.0, 0.0, 0.5, 0.1, 39.5, 42.0, 0.1, 0.0, 0.2, 0.0, 9.5, 0.0))
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Mixed_Germanic_D" "4.8487"
[2,] "Dutch_D" "6.265"
[3,] "Kent_1KG" "7.1204"
[4,] "French_D" "7.3627"
[5,] "CEU30" "7.5107"
[6,] "English_D" "7.6322"
[7,] "French" "7.8026"
[8,] "British_Isles_D" "8.8617"
[9,] "German_D" "9.1537"
[10,] "Cornwall_1KG" "9.3408"

DodecadOracle(c(8.0, 0.0, 0.5, 0.1, 39.5, 42.0, 0.1, 0.0, 0.2, 0.0, 9.5, 0.0),mixedmode=T)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "80.2% Kent_1KG + 19.8% Bulgarians_Y" "1.7742"
[2,] "75.4% Cornwall_1KG + 24.6% Bulgarians_Y" "2.0604"
[3,] "45.8% German_D + 54.2% French" "2.0943"
[4,] "74.4% British_D + 25.6% Bulgarians_Y" "2.1163"
[5,] "74.2% German_D + 25.8% Valencia_1KG" "2.1197"
[6,] "82.8% German_D + 17.2% French_Basque" "2.1454"
[7,] "79.2% English_D + 20.8% Bulgarians_Y" "2.1508"
[8,] "20.8% Romanians + 79.2% Kent_1KG" "2.1573"
[9,] "76.5% British_Isles_D + 23.5% Bulgarians_Y" "2.1575"
[10,] "79.5% CEU30 + 20.5% Bulgarians_Y" "2.1645"

[orangepulp]

ChromoPainter/fineSTRUCTURE analysis of the Balkans and West Asia...

I am in population 13 where most the Turks cluster.

[Loki]

pop6 includes a Project North Ossetian, as well as all Yunusbayev et al. North Ossetians

pop7 is mainly Armenian

pop16 is also mainly Armenian; it would be interesting to see whether this bipartite division of Armenians is in agreement with the one inferred in the previous fastIBD analysis

pop8 is mainly Greek, and appears to be "continental Greek"; it also includes some other Balkan individuals

pop14 is also Greek, and includes a variety of people with ancestry from Crete, the Aegean, Cyprus, Asia Minor, Cappadocia, and the Pontus as well as continental Greek. It could be labeled "eastern Greek"

pop11 is Cypriot, including the single 100% Greek Cypriot of the Project, all 3 100% Turkish Cypriots, as well as a Turkish individual of partial Turkish_Cypriot ancestry

pop10 is Turkish, and includes people with some ancestry from the Balkans, as well as Anatolia. It could be labelled "Balkan Turkish"

pop13 is also Turkish, and seems to include people with ancestry exclusively from Anatolia, including almost all the Behar et al. Turks

pop15 is Assyrian; some Assyrians also fall on the aforementioned

pop16 which includes mainly Armenians

pop18 could be labelled "North Balkan"; there is probably structure to be uncovered within this cluster, once more participants from the Balkans join the Project

pop20 is "Georgian-Abkhazian"

pop21 is "Kurdish-Iranian"

pop22 could be labeled "Northeastern Anatolia" or (more classically) "Pontus-Colchis". It appears to unite various individuals from Northeastern Turkey and neighboring Georgia, having Karadeniz Turkish, Armenian, Pontic Greek, and Kartvelian ancestry. I strongly encourage participants from this region to join the Project, especially Pontic Greeks, as there are no 100% Pontic Greeks currently in the Project.

pop23 is "Bulgarian-Romanian" mainly, and also includes one Serb. Once again, I emphasize that the power of this approach using haplotypes depends on participation, so I encourage all people from the Balkans to consider joining the Project.

[cilicia]

pop6 includes a Project North Ossetian, as well as all Yunusbayev et al. North Ossetians

pop7 is mainly Armenian

pop16 is also mainly Armenian; it would be interesting to see whether this bipartite division of Armenians is in agreement with the one inferred in the previous fastIBD analysis

pop8 is mainly Greek, and appears to be "continental Greek"; it also includes some other Balkan individuals

pop14 is also Greek, and includes a variety of people with ancestry from Crete, the Aegean, Cyprus, Asia Minor, Cappadocia, and the Pontus as well as continental Greek. It could be labeled "eastern Greek"

pop11 is Cypriot, including the single 100% Greek Cypriot of the Project, all 3 100% Turkish Cypriots, as well as a Turkish individual of partial Turkish_Cypriot ancestry

pop10 is Turkish, and includes people with some ancestry from the Balkans, as well as Anatolia. It could be labelled "Balkan Turkish"

pop13 is also Turkish, and seems to include people with ancestry exclusively from Anatolia, including almost all the Behar et al. Turks

pop15 is Assyrian; some Assyrians also fall on the aforementioned

pop16 which includes mainly Armenians

pop18 could be labelled "North Balkan"; there is probably structure to be uncovered within this cluster, once more participants from the Balkans join the Project

pop20 is "Georgian-Abkhazian"

pop21 is "Kurdish-Iranian"

pop22 could be labeled "Northeastern Anatolia" or (more classically) "Pontus-Colchis". It appears to unite various individuals from Northeastern Turkey and neighboring Georgia, having Karadeniz Turkish, Armenian, Pontic Greek, and Kartvelian ancestry. I strongly encourage participants from this region to join the Project, especially Pontic Greeks, as there are no 100% Pontic Greeks currently in the Project.

pop23 is "Bulgarian-Romanian" mainly, and also includes one Serb. Once again, I emphasize that the power of this approach using haplotypes depends on participation, so I encourage all people from the Balkans to consider joining the Project.

My father is in pop 16 and in the fast IBD analysis of Balkans/West Asia he was in cluster #2 "Western Armenian".

It is important to note that Dienekes states there are NO full Pontic Greeks in the project, and I really hope this happens! It is an analysis I have been waiting to see. If anyone knows any 100% Pontic Greeks please spread the word!

[orangepulp]

fastIBD analysis of Italy/Balkans/Anatolia

My IBD Z top scores:

Armenian_16: 1.38
Tuscan: 1.17
Turkish_Kayseri_HO: 1.17
Armenian_D: 1.11
Armenian_15_Y: 1.08
Bulgarian_D: 0.91
Georgians: 0.79
S_Italian_Sicilian_D: 0.61

I am in cluster 5 ( consists of 14 Turks, 3 Georgians, 3 Assyrians, 2 Armenians and 1 Greek)

[Dr. van Winkle]

I finally received my 23andme results yesterday.

DIYDodecad v 2.1:

45.29% West_European
26.56% Mediterranean
15.36% East_European
9.82% West_Asian
0.93% South_Asian
0.74% Northeast_Asian
0.60% Southwest_Asian
0.43% Northwest_African
0.14% Neo_African
0.08% Palaeo_African
0.05% East_African
0.00% Southeast_Asian

The results are surprising since my paper ancestry is entirely German and can be traced back to ca. 1600. All of my known ancestors had German or Austrian surnames, although some of them were ethnic Germans which lived in the kingdom of Bohemia, the area that is now the Czech Republic.

'K12b' and 'K7b' calculators:

K=12b:

41.97% North_European
34.47% Atlantic_Med
11.95% Caucasus
8.55% Gedrosia
1.66% Southwest_Asian
0.86% Siberian
0.21% Northwest_African
0.19% Sub_Saharan
0.08% South_Asian
0.05% East_African
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% Southeast_Asian

This table shows the K=12b averages of the populations most similar to me based on this run and the Ancestry Finder on 23andme:



The Spanish figure is the average I calculated for genetic samples from 4 different regions of the Iberian Peninsula: Valencia_1KG, Andalucia_1KG, Extremadura_1KG and Pais_Vasco_1KG. That doesn't mean these outcomes are typical for the overall population of Spain, but it's nevertheless interesting to imagine how an ancient Iberian with less Southwestern Asian and Northwest African admixture than the modern population could have been like.

German = German_D

Italian = O_Italian_D

Dutch = Dutch_D

Bulgarian = Bulgarians_Y

K=7b:

68.68% Atlantic_Baltic
14.96% Southern
14.46% West_Asian
1.06% Siberian
0.59% South_Asian
0.25% African
0.00% East_Asian

My Oracle results based on the K12b run:

> DodecadOracle(c(8.6, 0.9, 0.2, 0.0, 34.5, 42.0, 0.1, 0.1, 1,7, 0.0, 12.0, 0.0))

[1,] "Dutch_D" "15.9022"
[2,] "Mixed_Germanic_D" "16.0574"
[3,] "English_D" "16.2339"
[4,] "CEU30" "16.2684"
[5,] "Kent_1KG" "16.4149"
[6,] "Argyll_1KG" "16.4469"
[7,] "Orkney_1KG" "16.6661"
[8,] "British_Isles_D" "16.6793"
[9,] "Orcadian" "16.7869"
[10,] "Irish_D" "16.8122"

K12a:

> DodecadOracle(c(35.0, 0, 0.8, 43.3, 0, 0, 12.0, 6.4, 0,3, 1.9, 0, 0.3))

[1,] "Mixed_Germanic_D" "7.9568"
[2,] "Hungarians" "8.565"
[3,] "German_D" "8.951"
[4,] "Dutch_D" "9.4085"
[5,] "CEU25" "10.0722"
[6,] "British_Isles_D" "12.2282"
[7,] "Kent_1KG" "12.2368"
[8,] "British_D" "12.2605"
[9,] "French" "12.3321"
[10,] "French_D" "13.0173"

Genome comparison against 2-way population mixes:

> DodecadOracle(c(35.0, 0, 0.8, 43.3, 0, 0, 12.0, 6.4, 0,3, 1.9, 0, 0.3),mixedmode=T)

[1,] "40.9% Bulgarian_D + 59.1% Orkney_1KG" "1.8544"
[2,] "41.1% Bulgarian_D + 58.9% Orcadian" "2.0179"
[3,] "60.9% Irish_D + 39.1% Bulgarian_D" "2.0872"
[4,] "39.4% Bulgarian_D + 60.6% Argyll_1KG" "2.1111"
[5,] "59.5% Orkney_1KG + 40.5% Bulgarians_Y" "2.1436"
[6,] "61% Argyll_1KG + 39% Bulgarians_Y" "2.326"
[7,] "59.3% Orcadian + 40.7% Bulgarians_Y" "2.3538"
[8,] "69.8% Dutch_D + 30.2% Bulgarian_D" "2.3997"
[9,] "62.1% Swedish_D + 37.9% O_Italian_D" "2.409"
[10,] "72.2% Norwegian_D + 27.8% S_Italian_D" "2.4161"

Central Europeans are way more diverse than some people want to admit! up

[Dr. van Winkle]

Results of DodecadOracleV1 (old version):

> DodecadOracle(c(15.4, 45.3, 26.6, 0.1, 9.8, 0.9, 0.7, 0, 0.1, 0.6, 0.4, 0.1),mixedmode=T)

[1,] "30.7% Romanians_14 + 69.3% Argyll_1KG" "0.8864"
[2,] "67.6% Orkney_1KG + 32.4% Romanians_14" "1.1202"
[3,] "68.3% Orcadian + 31.7% Romanians_14" "1.3037"
[4,] "49.6% Balkans_D + 50.4% British_Isles_D" "1.3737"
[5,] "47.4% Balkans_D + 52.6% Kent_1KG" "1.4191"
[6,] "49.6% Balkans_D + 50.4% British_D" "1.4476"
[7,] "44.6% Balkans_D + 55.4% Dutch_D" "1.482"
[8,] "28.5% Balkans_D + 71.5% CEU" "1.5867"
[9,] "52.7% Balkans_D + 47.3% Irish_D" "1.5906"
[10,] "50.3% Balkans_D + 49.7% Cornwall_1KG" "1.6206"

[orangepulp]

A guy on 23andme invented a program that tells which populations we are close to by submitting our Dienekes results. This is what I got based on k12b:

I am running your matches now. The three major components are Turks, Georgians and Assyrian_D populations. Minor contributions are from Sardinian (Southern and Southwestern Eropeans), Mongol (Siberian and East Asian), Makrani (South Asian of Northern Pakistan) and Lezgin (Caucasian and Gedrosian of South West Asia). Lezgins are probably not significant contributors.

Orange Pulp By Correlation: RMSD = ± 0.2671%
Best Fit 95% Confidence Limits
Error (95%) ± 0.69%
Populations Avg % min max Generations ago Years ago

Turks: 34.73%
Georgians: 27.56%
Assyrian_D: 24.86%
Sardinian: 5.75%
Mongol:3.86%
Makrani:2.99%
Lezgins: 0.25%


I checked you McDonald resluts. Looks like we are spot on.