G25 Balkan Calculator

[Jana]

That's gaslighting. Stop pulling dumb shit on me. It doesnt work. If you are bored find another hobby. Or hubby. Or wife, Nixie seems interested.

I asked you for credible evidence of your claims (Illyrians had lot of E-V13) and you have none. You were wrong. Now move on.

[Hulu]

Iron Age Croatia was inhabited by Illyrians but he uses a sample of a Roman soldier who was stationed in Croatia to mislead people that Albanians score a high Illyrian.

You two dumb fucks who would sell your mothers to be Illyrian lel.

Are you Abubu? Same style. Anybody heard you speak Russian?

[Jana]

Iron Age Croatia was inhabited by Illyrians but he uses a sample of a Roman soldier who was stationed in Croatia to mislead people that Albanians score a high Illyrian.

You two dumb fucks who would sell your mothers to be Illyrian lel.

+1

[Hulu]

I asked you for credible evidence of your claims (Illyrians had lot of E-V13) and you have none. You were wrong. Now move on.

I didnt say they had a lot of ev13. Maybe they didnt. But none can say they didnt have any when my clade shows clear proof it was Illyrian for 8000 years. Not Thracian, not Roman.

[Selene]

Are you Abubu? Same style. Anybody heard you speak Russian?

Yes, me. Pure Russian.

He does not live in imagined fairytale like you.

[Rizza]

I have no further questions.

You're nothing but a bunch of trolls. This thread is ruined , I could of ignored you and spared this thread but I like to prove people wrong Basically people who have complexes because there lived different populations in Croatia before your peoples arrival. Your complexes are not my problem but go take it out somewhere else.

[Jana]

I didnt say they had a lot of ev13. Maybe they didnt. But none can say they didnt have any when my clade shows clear proof it was Illyrian for 8000 years. Not Thracian, not Roman.

There is one pre-Slavic (but post IA iirc) Croatian with E-V13 and genetic profile that fits to Illyrians to my knowledge, but it left a clade with no Balkan descendants. I know for no others.
we have tons of IA samples from Slovenia, Croatia, Albania, some from Montenegro as well as Messapian tribes in Italy and they bore no E-V13 apart from that single sample with dead end clade.

Make of it what you will. If more sample are found with E-V13 one can change their opinion but so far nothing indicates it was an Illyrian marker.

[Rizza]

@Loki

Just look at some of the posts:

Here she makes claims nobody said:

Samples are mislabeled to create false impression they are Illyrian. Illyrians are IA, not BA people and some of Croatian samples here are absolutely not Illyrian and are deep into late Roman era.

Distance to: HRV/MNE_LBA/IA_Rom:Croatia_Novo_selo_Bunje:R3547___AD_571

looool

So it is a Roman sample as even the date of the name says AD 571. Claims we are making false impression. Even the date of the sample has been added which I bolded , weather you think it is an Illyrian or not is irrelevant , as if there were no Illyrians during Roman period, but take it to another thread.

Sisak sample is absolutely not Illyrian either and plots nothing like Iron Age Croatians or IA Albanians for that matter.
It's a sample from Roman camp from 4th century after Christ.

Distance to: HRV/MNE_LBA/IA_Rom:Croatia_Sisak_Pogorelec:R2041___AD_303___Coverage_50.40%


You uncompetent Albo troll.

Above here she calls me an 'Uncompotent Albo troll' and claims things I never said. 'Sisak' sample is from the Roman period , even the date has been added once again to the name of the sample. She claims it is not like Iron Age Albania but it actually clusters just east of them. Weather you think it is an Illyrian or not is irrelevant, take it to another thread.

This calculator is a joke.

Rizza, you humiliate normal Albanians with your trolling.

Now look at that other person here , claims this calculator is a joke ^ yet does not really specify why



These are some posts they made in this thread. Basically posts that are totally out of context and false accusations.

[wvwvw]

The Iberian branch of Illyrians and Hellenes (R1b) mixed with the native lineages of the J2 and E-V13 and formed the Illyrians and Hellenes. The Iberian branch spoke a non IE language similar to basque.

The native branch J2 of Illyrians split form the Minoan Greeks in 1450 BC when the Achaeans migrated south and founded the Mycenaean Civilisation.

The primary Iberian marker of the Hellenes ancestors only appears in 1/3 of
the population of Classical Greece. The majority of the people were already
there before the Iberians who formed the Hellenic invaders of 2200 BC
migrated to the Balkans. By the time the Dorians moved south these Iberians
 were already diluted by a 2/3 Helladic mix and were already
 speaking Greek.

Illyrian is also a Hybrid of the language of the Enchelenes and the
indigenous Italo-Celtic language since the Enhelenes colonised Illyria in
1400 BC.

When the Mycenaean Civilisation was at its height the Celts were Italics was
 one tribe which derive from an R1b DNA linage that migrated out of Iberia.
The language of this linage was Basque. It was their contact with the Greeks
 that the Celto-Italics changed their language. This
 is a historical fact recorded by the Romans who claimed Greek decent.

The Tribes of Europe at the time of Ancient Greece and Rome are as follows
(based on the founding fathers DNA evidence):
Unmixed Tribes:
Celts - R1b linage (includes all Spaniards, Gauls and Celt's)
Slavs - R1a linage (includes all Hungarians, Serbs and Bulgarians)
Germanics - I linage
 Finns - N linage


Mixed Tribes:
Greeks, Illyrians, Thracians, Lydians, Phrygians and Carians

[Jana]

Putting Iron Age Illyrians and late Antiquity Romans with very different genetics under same label is either deliberate manipulation or just being stupid.
I would say Rizza case is both but more leaning to second.

They need to be clearly separated to see how much you score of one and of other.