Y clade finder and Morleys test

[HunterKillerDrone]

I just did the Morley and Yclade finder haplogroups thingys and im curious of how reliable my results are.I have use my ancestry RAW data since thats the company that i tested with.Ive seen people getting different results with ancestry raw data and others getting other results using 23andme raw data and so on.For the most part Morley and Yclad finder sais im R1b..bla bla bla (i may post pictures latter on) but is that true ? Also what are those red and green squares ? Would a Y DNA testing company give me a more accurate result ? Or do they all just use the same methods ? Also how on earth do they extract Y dna info from raw autosomal data ? In the end i dont care for a very very specific clade just the most general one and maybe one of its subtypes but thats all.

[gixajo]

I just did the Morley and Yclade finder haplogroups thingys and im curious of how reliable my results are.I have use my ancestry RAW data since thats the company that i tested with.Ive seen people getting different results with ancestry raw data and others getting other results using 23andme raw data and so on.For the most part Morley and Yclad finder sais im R1b..bla bla bla (i may post pictures latter on) but is that true ? Also what are those red and green squares ? Would a Y DNA testing company give me a more accurate result ? Or do they all just use the same methods ? Also how on earth do they extract Y dna info from raw autosomal data ? In the end i dont care for a very very specific clade just the most general one and maybe one of its subtypes but thats all.

The autosomal raw data from commercial companies used to show basic ethnic composition do not contain enough valid SNPs to accurately determine the Ydna, so sometimes the predictor can be wrong.

In my case Morley's predictor was right that it was R1a-M417, and cladefinder too, although cladefinder went a little further and assigned me R1a-Z2125 which is wrong. I used both with MyHeritage raw data.

MyAncestry raw data typically contains the read of more SNPs than MyHeritage or 23andMe (but 23andMe includes specific SNP usable for determining basic Ydna and mtdna).

I think that if Morley and Cladefinder gave to you R1b you probably are R1b, although of course there exist an small probability that both could be wrong.

To be sure, make an specific Ydna test.

[gixajo]

I just did the Morley and Yclade finder haplogroups thingys and im curious of how reliable my results are.I have use my ancestry RAW data since thats the company that i tested with.Ive seen people getting different results with ancestry raw data and others getting other results using 23andme raw data and so on.For the most part Morley and Yclad finder sais im R1b..bla bla bla (i may post pictures latter on) but is that true ? Also what are those red and green squares ? Would a Y DNA testing company give me a more accurate result ? Or do they all just use the same methods ? Also how on earth do they extract Y dna info from raw autosomal data ? In the end i dont care for a very very specific clade just the most general one and maybe one of its subtypes but thats all.

The autosomal raw data from commercial companies used to show basic ethnic composition do not contain enough valid SNPs to accurately determine the Ydna, so sometimes the predictor can be wrong.

In my case Morley's predictor was right that it was R1a-M417, and cladefinder too, although cladefinder went a little further and assigned me R1a-Z2125 which is wrong. I used both with MyHeritage raw data.

MyAncestry raw data typically contains the read of more SNPs than MyHeritage or 23andMe (but 23andMe includes specific SNP usable for determining basic Ydna and mtdna).

I think that if Morley and Cladefinder gave to you R1b you probably are R1b, although of course there exist an small probability that both could be wrong.

To be sure, make an specific Ydna test.

[HunterKillerDrone]

The autosomal raw data from commercial companies used to show basic ethnic composition do not contain enough valid SNPs to accurately determine the Ydna, so sometimes the predictor can be wrong.

In my case Morley's predictor was right that it was R1a-M417, and cladefinder too, although cladefinder went a little further and assigned me R1a-Z2125 which is wrong. I used both with MyHeritage raw data.

MyAncestry raw data typically contains the read of more SNPs than MyHeritage or 23andMe (but 23andMe includes specific SNP usable for determining basic Ydna and mtdna).

I think that if Morley and Cladefinder gave to you R1b you probably are R1b, although of course there exist an small probability that both could be wrong.

To be sure, make an specific Ydna test.

My mistake its actually a very long R1a line (R1a1a1b1a2b)

Yseq does Y tests but the 300-400euros cost is just out of this world.Other Y companies have more acceptable costs but still its close to 100 euros and again a 1-2 month wait and believe me i cant stand those wait times

One other thing i just realized is that Morley sais "Using experimental tree 2013" so isnt that really outdated data by now ? Or does that mean that the project started in 2013 ?

What Y company do you propose ? Also shall i post my Morley and Yseq data in case you can help or something ?

[gixajo]

One other thing i just realized is that Morley sais "Using experimental tree 2013" so isnt that really outdated data by now ? Or does that mean that the project started in 2013 ?

What Y company do you propose ?

So you are probably R-CTS1211 , R1a-Z280 as I am? I am not very confident in the different ways of expressing Ydna.

What company? Well, it depends on how far you want to go and how much money you want to spend and what exactly you are looking for with your Ydna.

Anyway, an R1a is not a rarity in your area.

[gixajo]

If you just want to know cheaply if you are really R1a-, taking advantage of an offer from 23andMe would suffice and you would also get autosomal data and ethnic estimation etc, if you want to spend a little more, a Yseq super panel for R1a would probably give you a lot more information. At the same level would be a Y37 or Y111 from FTDNA, and to go further (and a lot more money) it would be a BIG Y from FTDNA or do a full genome reading with Yseq, Nebula (I think it's usable with enough depth also for Ydna) etc...

I was unlucky because I have a rare subclade (for now) and I haven't been able to really go very far nor have I been able to find any close matches that can help me explain how it got to the country I'm from.

[HunterKillerDrone]

So you are probably R-CTS1211 , R1a-Z280 as I am? I am not very confident in the different ways of expressing Ydna.

What company? Well, it depends on how far you want to go and how much money you want to spend and what exactly you are looking for with your Ydna.

Anyway, an R1a is not a rarity in your area.

YES YES exactly those ones ! Or at least very close. R1a-CTS3607 R1a-Z282 and of course R1a-CTS1211 which sais its the most likely and its also what Yseq gave me

Good to hear its not a rarity cause im new to this stuff.I somewhat expected it from my anthropological research but anthro isnt an indicator of a lot of things always so yea

Lets say i just want to know the basics (i dont know if ill do such a test but i will consider it)

[gixajo]

YES YES exactly those ones ! Or at least very close. R1a-CTS3607 R1a-Z282 and of course R1a-CTS1211 which sais its the most likely and its also what Yseq gave me

Good to hear its not a rarity cause im new to this stuff.I somewhat expected it from my anthropological research but anthro isnt an indicator of a lot of things always so yea

Lets say i just want to know the basics (i dont know if ill do such a test but i will consider it)

You could try this pannel for CTS1211:

http://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=10169

This will include:

The following SNPs are contained in the R1a-Z280 Panel:
Z91 (replacing Z280), YP6218, YP5000, CTS2740, S24902, YP469, YP561, YP4094, YP4090, Y48979, Y20409, YP4777, YP565, YP4660, YP6008, YP659, Z92, Z685, Z1907, CTS9551, FGC46006 / YP5615, S3343 (equiv. to CTS214), YP4364, CTS5149 / S3349, CTS6050, YP270, CTS4648, Y13891 & Y13892, YP1405, S3380, YP4485, YP4486, YP351, Y16755, YP4308, Y9081, YP4465, YP350, Y42738, Y24032, Y79085, Y4459, YP5525, YP6050, Y138015, YP617, Y29965, YP1700, YP573, YP569, YP575, Y11268, Y22792, YP5841, YP6505, B120 / YP6504, BY30750, BY32093 / Y90140, YP4846, YP683, YP5295, YP690, Y61476, VK03, A8998, A8987, Y79255, YP1261, YP1260, YP1698, YP1696, YP6187, CTS1211, YP4934, FT83347, YP1158, Y59520, Y48842, YP1032, YP6077, YP1027, YP1029, YP4970, YP5665, Y68985, YP343, YP3979, Y15698, BY36590, YP340, FGC2555, Y48066, P278.2, A19360, YP1702, Y136297, Y42285, YP5282, YP5806, Y88550, YP371, Y110177, Y81700, Y11177, Y19145, YP375, Y10810, BY106096, YP380, YP4702, YP1034, YP4288, Y13467, YP4329, YP997, YP6439, YP5827, YP5839, Y35, YP4286, BY30743, YP4441, YP4707, Y2194 (replacing CTS3402), Y2613, Y2609, YP4999, Y2608, YP6098, BY27373, YP3929, Y42057, YP1626, YP5502, YP613, YP4098, Y33, YP6009, YP5917, YP5919, Y90973, Y99176, YP968, YP969, Y16500, YP6012, Y112838, CTS8816, L1280, FGC11555, Y23851, Y5647, YP6344, YP3990, YP3992, FGC19283, YP6064, YP6062, Y37300, YP1448, YP1701, FGC19273, Y2902, CTS11142, CTS8841 / S3368, YP3994, BY65954, Y35232, YP1447, Y35213, BY32474, YP6083, Y1396, Y17986, Y4380, Y4382, FGC10360 / Y3226, FGC56507 / YP5224, A15622 / BY27799, Y3219, Y3222, Y3220, YP4968, Y23598, YP1144, PH3519, FGC40572 / Y18555, PH864, Y2910, Y2915, Y35606, PF5327, YP310, Y29593, YP5995, S18681, Y12463, YP4275, YP1428, YP4442, YP5910, YP5916, YP325, YP314, YP1409, Y4376, Y5973.2, BY33400, YP1361, Y104915, YP1363, BY154594, BY79500, YP6188, YP6495, YP5509, YP5924, YP237, YP6001, FGC13708, YP4821, YP419, YP6065, YP581, Y21041, YP578, Y35758, Y10802, Y30194, YP1080, A7020, A7015, YP1116, YP1112, Y35781, YP953, YP951, Y17619, FGC39331, FGC39315, FGC39326, BY167763, BY166543, YP1412, YP6401, Y23849, YP4530, YP4659, Y34264, YP6186, YP979 (replacing YP977), FGC21236 / YP6377, FGC21220, JN78, JN89, JN82, YP1018, YP1038, YP6026, FGC37072, Y28673, YP235, Y17522, YP234, YP295, L366, YP5223, BY128090, YP338, FGC67044, Y74029, YP337, YP591, YP5306, YP238, L365, Y16879, YP677, YP4834, YP243, FGC19222 / YP389, YP4670, BY12551 / Y28938, YP940, F2686, YP269, YP5936, Y6956, YP389

[HunterKillerDrone]

You could try this pannel for CTS1211:

http://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=10169

This will include:

So that panel will tell me a more specific clade ?

Ill take a better look at their other products and maybe consider them but definitely not now

Also how do i use this https://predict.yseq.net/ and does it even matter ?

[gixajo]

So that panel will tell me a more specific clade ?



Also how do i use this https://predict.yseq.net/ and does it even matter ?

Yes, of course if you are actually CTS1211, if you are not very confident in those predictors you could try first the R1a superpannel, that would probably not go so far away than the other pannel, but very close.

I´ve never tried that predictor, but if I am not wrong MyAncestry don´t provide STRs data but just SNPs so you cannot try it.

I don't know if you know the Anthrogenica forum, it's a more specific forum for these issues where there are people who know all these issues in great depth, there you could find people who advise you better than me. In this forum there are also people who know a lot, but I think that Anthrogenica has a more "serious" and scientific character.