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Thread: Ultimate Ancient Iberian Calculator - Iron Age + Hellenistic + Imperial + Germanic/Arab Ruler

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    Target: Axel_scaled
    Distance: 2.6539% / 0.02653884 | R4P
    43.4 Hallstatt_Celt_IA
    26.2 SSA
    19.6 Amerindian
    10.8 East_Asian

    Target: Axel_scaled
    Distance: 2.2848% / 0.02284832
    34.6 Hallstatt_Celt_IA
    25.6 SSA
    20.4 Amerindian
    10.2 East_Asian
    4.6 Arab_Ruler
    1.8 Ancient_Greek
    1.6 Imperial_Greco-Roman
    1.2 East_Iberian_IA

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    Exclamation Update!!! New Samples added!! New Category added!!

    I took Hallstatt out, since iberians don't have a direct connection with them, and added the Gauls by @Jingle Bell 's sugestion.
    I added Italic and Etruscan samples, let's see what happens with those.
    Finally, changed the label, from Greek Colonists, to Greek Settlers and added new samples, enjoy!
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    Target: Luso_scaled
    Distance: 1.2566% / 0.01256553 | R5P
    35.4 Italic_and_Etruscan
    22.6 Hispano_Celt_IA
    14.4 Gaul
    14.0 West_Iberian_IA
    13.6 Berber_IA/MA

    Target: Luso_dad_scaled
    Distance: 1.1462% / 0.01146223 | R5P
    36.2 Hispano_Celt_IA
    31.8 Gaul
    14.4 Berber_IA/MA
    9.8 Germanic_Ruler
    7.8 Greek_Settlers

    Target: Luso_mom_scaled
    Distance: 1.2379% / 0.01237905 | R5P
    39.4 Italic_and_Etruscan
    33.6 Gaul
    11.2 Berber_IA/MA
    10.6 Hispano_Celt_IA
    5.2 Arab_Ruler

    Target: LusoGF_Simulated
    Distance: 4.3784% / 0.04378392 | R5P
    56.6 Imperial_Greco-Roman
    41.4 Germanic_Ruler
    2.0 Amerindian
    [1] "distance%=1.7256"

    West_Iberia_IA,54.4
    Roman_Colonial,17.6
    Berber_EMA,10.8
    Germanic,10.6
    Scotland_EIA,6.6

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    Quote Originally Posted by vader View Post
    Target: Luso_scaled
    Distance: 1.2566% / 0.01256553 | R5P
    35.4 Italic_and_Etruscan
    22.6 Hispano_Celt_IA
    14.4 Gaul
    14.0 West_Iberian_IA
    13.6 Berber_IA/MA

    Target: Luso_dad_scaled
    Distance: 1.1462% / 0.01146223 | R5P
    36.2 Hispano_Celt_IA
    31.8 Gaul
    14.4 Berber_IA/MA
    9.8 Germanic_Ruler
    7.8 Greek_Settlers

    Target: Luso_mom_scaled
    Distance: 1.2379% / 0.01237905 | R5P
    39.4 Italic_and_Etruscan
    33.6 Gaul
    11.2 Berber_IA/MA
    10.6 Hispano_Celt_IA
    5.2 Arab_Ruler

    Target: LusoGF_Simulated
    Distance: 4.3784% / 0.04378392 | R5P
    56.6 Imperial_Greco-Roman
    41.4 Germanic_Ruler
    2.0 Amerindian
    Yeah... As expected, I need to change the italic and etruscan samples...
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    Italic and Etruscan Samples Updated!
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    Now looks even better:


    Target: JingleBell_scaled
    Distance: 1.0942% / 0.01094236
    44.4 SSA
    15.2 Gaul
    14.4 East_Iberian_IA
    8.0 Arab_Ruler
    5.6 Hispano_Celt_IA
    5.2 Berber_IA/MA
    3.0 Native_American
    2.2 Greek_Settlers
    2.0 Imperial_Greco-Roman

    but etruscan is overlap a bit with celtoiberians samples, some iberians are scoring abt 35% Roman-Etruscan, and when the latins get in peninsula they were alr mixed with levantines, greeks and others, like the imperial samples
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jgab602 View Post
    I took Hallstatt out, since iberians don't have a direct connection with them, and added the Gauls by @Jingle Bell 's sugestion.
    I added Italic and Etruscan samples, let's see what happens with those.
    Finally, changed the label, from Greek Colonists, to Greek Settlers and added new samples, enjoy!
    Target: Kriptc_23nme
    Distance: 0.9041% / 0.00904087
    26.6 Italic_and_Etruscan
    16.6 Gaul
    11.8 Amerindian
    10.4 Germanic_Ruler
    9.8 SSA
    6.8 Hispano_Celt_IA
    6.8 Imperial_Greco-Roman
    4.4 Arab_Ruler
    4.4 East_Iberian_IA
    2.4 Greek_Settlers

    Target: Kriptc_aunt
    Distance: 2.6095% / 0.02609538
    40.4 Germanic_Ruler
    37.2 Imperial_Greco-Roman
    19.2 Gaul
    2.2 Greek_Settlers
    1.0 Amerindian


    Target: Kriptc_gma_maternal
    Distance: 1.0050% / 0.01005023 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    23.0 Gaul
    20.0 East_Iberian_IA
    18.2 SSA
    16.4 Amerindian
    11.0 Berber_IA/MA
    5.8 Arab_Ruler
    5.6 Ancient_Greek
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jingle Bell View Post
    Now looks even better:


    Target: JingleBell_scaled
    Distance: 1.0942% / 0.01094236
    44.4 SSA
    15.2 Gaul
    14.4 East_Iberian_IA
    8.0 Arab_Ruler
    5.6 Hispano_Celt_IA
    5.2 Berber_IA/MA
    3.0 Native_American
    2.2 Greek_Settlers
    2.0 Imperial_Greco-Roman

    but etruscan is overlap a bit with celtoiberians samples, some iberians are scoring abt 35% Roman-Etruscan, and when the latins get in peninsula they were alr mixed with levantines, greeks and others, like the imperial samples
    I tested more with iberian samples and some were still overlapping with iberians, so I took the ones that were overlapping out and also the ancient greeks, because there's no need for ancient greece when there's the greek settlers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jgab602 View Post
    Yeah... As expected, I need to change the italic and etruscan samples...
    etruscan/italic overlap is common for iberians no worries. Romans IA were quite like us... in fact, if i'm not mistaken we are today closer to romans in distance than current central italian, central-southern italians.

    Modern results:

    Target: Luso_scaled
    Distance: 1.3305% / 0.01330509 | R5P
    32.0 Hispano_Celt_IA
    21.2 Greek_Settlers
    19.6 Germanic_Ruler
    13.8 Gaul
    13.4 Berber_IA/MA

    Target: Luso_dad_scaled
    Distance: 1.1462% / 0.01146223 | R5P
    36.2 Hispano_Celt_IA
    31.8 Gaul
    14.4 Berber_IA/MA
    9.8 Germanic_Ruler
    7.8 Greek_Settlers

    Target: Luso_mom_scaled
    Distance: 1.3704% / 0.01370428 | R5P
    34.4 Celtiberian_IA
    28.4 Gaul
    23.4 Greek_Settlers
    9.0 Berber_IA/MA
    4.8 Arab_Ruler
    [1] "distance%=1.7256"

    West_Iberia_IA,54.4
    Roman_Colonial,17.6
    Berber_EMA,10.8
    Germanic,10.6
    Scotland_EIA,6.6

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    Small Update! More Phoenician samples added! (I think you already know by now that this calculator is going to be constantly updated and improved)
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