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    Target: Grace_scaled
    Distance: 1.3610% / 0.01360969
    84.2 Bell_Beaker
    15.8 Corded_Ware

    Distance to: Grace_scaled
    0.02840373 Bell_Beaker:I6583
    0.03095986 Bell_Beaker:I5379
    0.03122665 Bell_Beaker:I7210
    0.03167474 Bell_Beaker:I3256
    0.03167937 Bell_Beaker:I5750
    0.03168645 Bell_Beaker:I5514
    0.03209434 Bell_Beaker:I4895
    0.03273542 Bell_Beaker:I7249
    0.03363031 Bell_Beaker:HOP001
    0.03378206 Bell_Beaker:I7212
    0.03382729 Bell_Beaker:I5521
    0.03386181 Bell_Beaker:I0112
    0.03413063 Bell_Beaker:I7269
    0.03477249 Bell_Beaker:I2447
    0.03527298 Bell_Beaker:I5367
    0.03582633 Bell_Beaker:I7251
    0.03586158 Bell_Beaker:I5382
    0.03596662 Bell_Beaker:KOP003.merged
    0.03626178 Bell_Beaker:I1549
    0.03669372 Bell_Beaker:I4889
    0.03685582 Bell_Beaker:I1767
    0.03715663 Bell_Beaker:I5512
    0.03754995 Bell_Beaker:HOP003.A0101
    0.03860518 Bell_Beaker:I4073
    0.03876500 Bell_Beaker:I5523
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    Quote Originally Posted by Africanwidow View Post
    What is your ancestry?
    Predominantly Scottish with Minor Scandinavian admixture as well as one individual from Schleswig and another one from Hamburg; however, the individual from Hamburg was from a Volga-German lineage. I can't fully confirm it but there are familial rumors that the Volga-German was carrying significant North-Caucasian ancestry. I scored trace Pakistan in 23&me until an update which redistributed the 0.6 Pakistan and some "unassigned" into Balkan. My relatives on my mother's side all score small amounts of Levant or Caucuses 0.5-2% and on some other commercial tests I score small amounts of North-Caucasian. G25 likes to model me as Icelandic + Belgian (or Calais) and I come out most closely related to English and Dutch. It's entirely possible it's a coincidence but it's also possible it isn't. The Scandinavian is harder to track, the German and possible Caucasian would have entered in the late 1800's but the Scandinavian goes way back and there is quite a bit on both sides. Fathers direct line is Orcadian, and they had married into Danes before settling in the United States and received more input from other Scottish settlers and Icelanders once here. Mothers direct line is from Argyle and began mixing with the Swedes in Nya Sverige pretty much as soon as they arrived. The highest Scandinavian I've ever scored on a commercial test is 28% on FTDNA which I think is ridiculously too high personally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gixajo View Post
    I could have done some screening by eliminating the overlapping samples to better show the difference between one group and another, but the reality is that there are European areas where both cultures coexisted, and I preferred to simply eliminate ouliers and contaminated samples, and let the rest as they are labelled (by his culture, and not by their "genetic tendency" showed in a PCA).

    Something similar to that Celtic versus Germanic PCA.

    Great work! You might consider adding in Battle axe culture samples as well

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    Target: Luso_scaled
    Distance: 1.7156% / 0.01715559
    86.0 Bell_Beaker
    6.0 MAR_Taforalt
    3.8 Maykop_Kura_Araxes(RUS_ARM)
    3.0 Corded_Ware
    1.2 Yoruba

    Target: Luso_dad_scaled
    Distance: 1.2016% / 0.01201616
    71.2 Bell_Beaker
    17.6 Corded_Ware
    5.4 Levant_PPNB
    4.4 MAR_Taforalt
    1.2 Yoruba
    0.2 Maykop_Kura_Araxes(RUS_ARM)

    Target: Luso_mom_scaled
    Distance: 1.3646% / 0.01364649
    75.8 Bell_Beaker
    9.0 Corded_Ware
    6.6 Maykop_Kura_Araxes(RUS_ARM)
    5.0 MAR_Taforalt
    2.0 Levant_PPNB
    1.6 Yoruba

    Target: LusoGF_Simulated
    Distance: 1.2279% / 0.01227895
    46.2 Maykop_Kura_Araxes(RUS_ARM)
    37.0 Bell_Beaker
    15.4 Corded_Ware
    1.4 Levant_PPNB
    [1] "distance%=1.7256"

    West_Iberia_IA,54.4
    Roman_Colonial,17.6
    Berber_EMA,10.8
    Germanic,10.6
    Scotland_EIA,6.6

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    Distance to: CDG_scaled
    0.03126888 Bell_Beaker:I1767
    0.03171235 Bell_Beaker:KOP003.merged
    0.03211295 Bell_Beaker:I7210
    0.03268057 Bell_Beaker:I4889
    0.03288745 Bell_Beaker:I7269
    0.03376728 Bell_Beaker:HOP001
    0.03472577 Bell_Beaker:I5379
    0.03517078 Bell_Beaker:I7212
    0.03583200 Bell_Beaker:I3256
    0.03584467 Bell_Beaker:I6583
    0.03602275 Bell_Beaker:I7249
    0.03684114 Bell_Beaker:I5512
    0.03693985 Bell_Beaker:I5658
    0.03751416 Bell_Beaker:I7251
    0.03790788 Bell_Beaker:I4895
    0.03906368 Bell_Beaker:I4888
    0.03907426 Bell_Beaker:KO1003
    0.03911525 Bell_Beaker:I1549
    0.03924626 Bell_Beaker:I3874
    0.03940022 Bell_Beaker:I5514
    0.03940759 Bell_Beaker:VLI026
    0.03970139 Bell_Beaker:I4178
    0.03973286 Bell_Beaker:I6480
    0.03979206 Bell_Beaker:HOP003.A0101
    0.03980191 Bell_Beaker:I0112

    Target: CDG_scaled
    Distance: 1.5561% / 0.01556092
    29.8 Bell_Beaker:I3874
    14.8 Bell_Beaker:I2450
    9.4 Bell_Beaker:I6588
    7.4 Bell_Beaker:I1391
    7.0 Bell_Beaker:I1767
    6.2 Bell_Beaker:I4076
    6.0 Bell_Beaker:I5529
    5.8 Corded_Ware:ZEL001
    4.2 Bell_Beaker:I2419
    3.0 Bell_Beaker:I4951
    2.4 Corded_Ware:I1536
    1.8 Bell_Beaker:I2455
    1.2 Bell_Beaker:I7205
    1.0 Bell_Beaker:I4136

    Target: CDG_scaled
    Distance: 1.5560% / 0.01556042
    91.6 Bell_Beaker
    8.4 Corded_Ware

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    Target:
    Distance: 1.7942% / 0.01794246 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    82.0 Bell_Beaker
    18.0 Corded_Ware

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    Target: Kiel_scaled
    Distance: 1.2166% / 0.01216573
    81.4 Bell_Beaker
    18.6 Corded_Ware

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    Target: rothaer_scaled
    Distance: 0.0131% / 0.01312841
    82.4 Bell_Beaker
    17.6 Corded_Ware

    Target: rothaer_wife2_scaled
    Distance: 0.0170% / 0.01699462
    88.6 Bell_Beaker
    11.4 Corded_Ware
    Target: rothaer_scaled
    Distance: 1.0091% / 0.01009085

    39.8 (Balto-)Slavic
    39.0 Germanic
    19.2 Celtic-like
    1.8 Graeco-Roman
    0.2 Finnic-like

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixajo View Post
    I could have done some screening by eliminating the overlapping samples to better show the difference between one group and another, but the reality is that there are European areas where both cultures coexisted, and I preferred to simply eliminate ouliers and contaminated samples, and let the rest as they are labelled (by his culture, and not by their "genetic tendency" showed in a PCA).

    Something similar to that Celtic versus Germanic PCA.

    The three "eastern" Bell Beaker semi-outliers do cause a big proportion of all overlap.

    However, an overlap makes results somewhat arbitrary and volatile (genetically closely related people can get much differing results). So for the purpose of a calculator I'd try to avoid any overlap. Or at least remove the 5 most overlap causing samples from each group. The overlaping area will then become comparably small.
    Last edited by rothaer; 12-08-2022 at 04:43 PM.
    Target: rothaer_scaled
    Distance: 1.0091% / 0.01009085

    39.8 (Balto-)Slavic
    39.0 Germanic
    19.2 Celtic-like
    1.8 Graeco-Roman
    0.2 Finnic-like

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    Quote Originally Posted by rothaer View Post
    The three "eastern" Bell Beaker semi-outliers do cause a big proportion of all overlap.

    However, an overlap makes results somewhat arbitrary and volatile (genetically closely related people can get much differing results). So for the purpose of a calculator I'd try to avoid any overlap. Or at least remove the 5 most overlap causing samples from each group. The overlaping area will then become comparably small.
    I did an alternative calculator removing overlapping samples, but I chose to post finally the one I ended up posting in this thread.

    Maybe I will use it in future calculators.


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