Out of Africa is false obviously

**wvwvw** · 12-31-2022, 12:00 AM

I believe in the out of Mars "panspermia" theory.

**Annihilus** · 12-31-2022, 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by wvwvw

I believe in the out of Mars "panspermia" theory.

Possible but it could also have come from some astroid, maybe even from outside solar system.

Just had a thought, the astroid that wiped out the dino's also must have hurled a lot of pieces from earth into space. Maybe it already has seeded another planet orbiting one of our neighbour stars. Not sure if enough time has passed though.

**Miko** · 12-31-2022, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by tk'es

if it's fake then y-dna (i1, i2, j1, j2, q, r1a, r1b etc) haplogroup scientific projects are baseless?

Haplogroup projects wrong?
What changes besides the fake maps with arrows coming out of Africa?

**Miko** · 12-31-2022, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by HannibaltheGreat

Other human species were in eurasia such as homo erectus but not homosapians.

Out of africa is talking in terms of homosapians not in terms of all human species.

Haplogroup L is majorily in subsaharan. its other subclades MN are majority found outside of Africa. But you dont have the other L groups out of africa. More diversity of L clades within africa than outsides points to its origins in Africa.

On the contrary, I was talking about modern Humans, the closest are Neanderthals. And Africa was occupied by other species too, like the ergaster...

Haplogroup L doesn't prove anything, it's not a real haplogroup, it's a COLLECTION OF OLD BRANCHES.
I'd rather think they weren't exterminated by the Upper Paleolithic expansion, what is erroneously called "out of Africa"...

**Miko** · 12-31-2022, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by Universe

Any human alive today (africans included) is considered "anatomically modern human" by scientists, archaics all died out.

That's the problem... All Humans aren't the same, Africans don't have 50000 years like we have.
If they have been around for x2 times more... Why are we all "anatomically modern humans"?

**HannibaltheGreat** · 01-01-2023, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by Miko

On the contrary, I was talking about modern Humans, the closest are Neanderthals. And Africa was occupied by other species too, like the ergaster...

Haplogroup L doesn't prove anything, it's not a real haplogroup, it's a COLLECTION OF OLD BRANCHES.
I'd rather think they weren't exterminated by the Upper Paleolithic expansion, what is erroneously called "out of Africa"...

Wrong again. It is a real haplogroup but its so old that most if not all, would have extra mutations attached to it by now. But there would be basal offshoots also lineages undiscovered in which they might Designated as L*
You clearly never had a proper haplogroup testing done.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mt-dna-haplotree/L

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/l0/about

http://www.phylotree.org/tree/index.htm

This is a relative of mines MTDNA

L1 Branch
http://www.phylotree.org/tree/L1.htm

M tree http://www.phylotree.org/tree/M8.htm -> C branch

Spoiler!

**luc2112** · 01-01-2023, 09:49 PM

All human groups, archaic and modern (homo-sapiens) came from the Horn of Africa. These humans were not black which is a more recent mutation and restricted to sub-Saharan Africa.

Berber

**HannibaltheGreat** · 01-01-2023, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by luc2112

All human groups, archaic and modern (homo-sapiens) came from the Horn of Africa. These humans were not black which is a more recent mutation and restricted to sub-Saharan Africa.

Berber

This is just plain false.
No one knows where homosapains originated except that its someplace in africa. The oldest homosapian remains where found in northwest africa. The ethiopian remains were just more complete.

East africans black but soemwhat genetically more like giraffes and mullatos.
East africa just had contact with back to africa migrations which is why they have west eurasian dna. If west eurasian like dna was the origin of homosapian and then you should expect to it see all over africa since it would predate a bantu migration but you dont except near the sahara desert and some parts where we already know that arabs made contact like in zanzibar I believe.

The ethiopian remain would have looked more similar to nilotes than those images you posted.

https://aaregistry.org/story/the-ban...a-brief-story/

**HannibaltheGreat** · 01-01-2023, 10:34 PM

Also the andaman islanders. These were an out of africa population that retained the earlier phenotypes to a greater degree
But are a transitionary population between original out of africans and proto asiatics
As you see they look nothing like west eurasians