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    Quote Originally Posted by Pro.crasti.nation View Post
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    MENA radical feminists are the worst of the kind. They are as toxic as radical feminists in the West. But all this simultaneously in a society more conservative which makes it worse.

    I have been arguing for a very long, that what these MENA feminists do by copying western feminists is make everything worse for women rights in MENA countries, because of how conservative these countries are and the natural counter reaction is to oppose more women rights because the people see what radical feminism caused in the West. I have seen this effect in many MENA societies. If you pull too hard to one side the natural reaction is that the other side will pull back even stronger. I also see this in the United States where the moderate middle gets weaker while the country gets more divided between radical left and radical right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demhat View Post
    MENA radical feminists are the worst of the kind. They are as toxic as radical feminists in the West. But all this simultaneously in a society more conservative which makes it worse.

    I have been arguing for a very long, that what these MENA feminists do by copying western feminists is make everything worse for women rights in MENA countries, because of how conservative these countries are and the natural counter reaction is to oppose more women rights because the people see what radical feminism caused in the West. I have seen this effect in many MENA societies. If you pull too hard to one side the natural reaction is that the other side will pull back even stronger. I also see this in the United States where the moderate middle gets weaker while the country gets more divided between radical left and radical right.
    The thing with feminists is, much like other "oppressor-oppressed" Leftist causes, they only get anywhere if the men around them are basically, already receptive to their needs and woes. When you try "feminism" in somewhere like a genuinely misogynistic society, a traditional Muslim nation, your cause falls on deaf ears and you literally get slapped down. It's why you have no slave nonsense in the Muslim world, instead you're barely five minutes and a good war away from having slave markets reopen (as apparently they are in Libya - according to certain Western media).

    They pull this nonsense in the West because there's a consumer demand for "causes" and most university students are idiots that fall under the spell of romantic revolutionary bullshit. We had professors at my university, romanticise the student protests of the '70s and '80s in London. One, even wistfully recalled helping to close down the North Circular (think of the economic consequences of bringing much of London to a standstill).

    Nowadays, traditional socialism, like religion, is a difficult sell. You can LARP as a trad-whatever but, you do so on social media, using the tools and conventions that come out of Capitalist inventiveness and abundance. Capitalism does indeed pull the masses out of poverty, and most people have no stomach for Socialism - as New Labour proved.

    So the big LARP is in this intersectional bullshit. And it is massive on social media. And that, due to the way ideas and fashions transmit from West to East, causes young people in the Muslim world to want to protest in similar fashion, to agitate for revolution and basically, be restless.
    How much of this is genuine societal unrest and how much is mere fashion, I really don't know. Iran, for all its horrible faults, seemed pretty stable internally. They weathered a decade of war with Saddam and decades of Israeli and US aggression and provocation without much outward signs of internal unrest, but with the internet, Western notions and fashions have probably penetrated deep within society.

    They may be pushing "too hard" because they want to act like the idiots they see in The West. Like the stupid BLM idiots protesting in London, because of George Floyd!

    People are gagging for something to be outraged about, well something other than the lack of genuine freedom, the technocratic control system that is wiping out the huge horizons Capitalism had erected ... People in The West are losing their nations to a myriad of awful developments - including simple demographic change - but the young people - the people who have most to lose - are more passionately focused on idiocy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pro.crasti.nation View Post

    They pull this nonsense in the West because there's a consumer demand for "causes" and most university students are idiots that fall under the spell of romantic revolutionary bullshit.
    I call them campus Che Guevaras. They wouldn't survive in a actual uprising which causes a war.

    Nowadays, traditional socialism, like religion, is a difficult sell. You can LARP as a trad-whatever but, you do so on social media, using the tools and conventions that come out of Capitalist inventiveness and abundance. Capitalism does indeed pull the masses out of poverty, and most people have no stomach for Socialism - as New Labour proved.
    I am not a fan of anarcho-capitalism like it was done in the US either. Anarcho-Capitalism has one flaw and that is the constant demand for economic growth. Up until it becomes unethical. Like with many things in this world you need a healthy balance of Capitalism but also humanitarian Socialism. However recently I see many societies shift further towards a radical socialism which resembles Communism more and more. Which as bad as Anarcho-Capitalism in my view.

    So the big LARP is in this intersectional bullshit. And it is massive on social media. And that, due to the way ideas and fashions transmit from West to East, causes young people in the Muslim world to want to protest in similar fashion, to agitate for revolution and basically, be restless.
    How much of this is genuine societal unrest and how much is mere fashion, I really don't know. Iran, for all its horrible faults, seemed pretty stable internally. They weathered a decade of war with Saddam and decades of Israeli and US aggression and provocation without much outward signs of internal unrest, but with the internet, Western notions and fashions have probably penetrated deep within society.
    This is one of the things I mean with they lose empathy and sympathy from a big portion of the people who do dislike the Iranian regime but feel like it is being "hijacked" by radical western feminism. This is why I want the radical western feminists to stay out of this. it gives the whole uprising a bad image. But Western feminists love to be the center of attention and make everything about themselves. While in reality the whole uprising has more of a political and ethnic tone to it.

    For example I saw social media being full of stories about Iranian women cutting their hair. Acting like it is a protest against the headscarf. While this is a Kurdish tradition and had initially nothing to do with headscarf or feminism. It is a part of a ritual to moan a warriors death. Usually the girl/women would cut her hair and put it on the grave of her husband, father or someone close to the family. Women in Kurdistan of Iran started doing this to moan their death. It was adopted to the rest of Iran and people started to confuse it with a "feminist protest"

    https://twitter.com/MiddleEastEye/st...58096776503298

    The same with the "Women life freedom" chant it is a Kurdish chant in origin and has nothing to do with western feminism. The chant was used by females who had their babies in their arms while fighting off ISIS terrorists for their life and for the independence of their land (therefore women, life and freedom)

    But again got hijacked by western feminists. If you noticed the epicenters of the whole uprising in Iran are around Kurdistan and Balochistan. Two regions which have history of uprisings based on opression by the Iranian regime. The death of the girl Jina Mahsa Amini was just the final straw.

    They may be pushing "too hard" because they want to act like the idiots they see in The West. Like the stupid BLM idiots protesting in London, because of George Floyd!
    That it is they see it on social media and movies and some simply copy it because they think anything coming from the west = good. The West has allot of things to be worthy of copying. But radical feminism and being offended by everything is definitely not one of them.

    People are gagging for something to be outraged about, well something other than the lack of genuine freedom, the technocratic control system that is wiping out the huge horizons Capitalism had erected ... People in The West are losing their nations to a myriad of awful developments - including simple demographic change - but the young people - the people who have most to lose - are more passionately focused on idiocy.
    Interestingly many people think the mass immigration is the main cause for demographic changes while in reality the primar cause is the fact that western societies and western influenced societies have a very low birth rate. And this is a big side effect of "women liberation" and radical feminism. As long as western people don't start to have more babies again. Even if no one immigrated within 50 years any western country would completely collapse because they would have no workforce anymore and you will have empty lands. If western societies started to have more babies again. Even big migration waves would not be able to change the demographics because the large majority always absorbs the small minority. Imagine even 2m immigrants in a country like Germany with a population of over 80m. This is like 2,3%.

    No chance that even 2m people would be able to change the demographics. However if those 2m keep having the normal 2-4 children range. While the 80+ locals have barely 1 children if any. That is when the 2m have a bigger weight.

    And this is the main problem in the west. Western people are getting replaced because they don't reproduce. Even if no one was migrating. They would just need to wait 50 years and the lands are completely empty from migrants to take over. Which is even a worse scenario. And I assume this is why western governments have rather slow and steady migrations now instead of being completely replaced in 50 years time. They simply see no other alternative. Also because they push a toxic and degenerate anti family political concept on their own people.

    In short if Western societies want to survive they should focus more on getting their birthrates up again instead of focusing of immigrants. Because if you don't reproduce doesn't matter if 1 or 1m immigrate. Your people will ultimately die out.

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