Why do so many in this forum put so much more emphasis on race than culture or language?

[PaganPoet]

As I wrote here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...language/page3
"I just find the dissonance in values and priorities that many forum users have risible (not saying you specifically). They complain if their neighbourhood or city changes from 99% White to 93% White, but seem (at least by comparison) quite relaxed at seeing their native language disappear or being subsumed." Let us discuss.

For intenser mental masturbation.

[gixajo]

Maybe because anyone can adopt a culture or learn a language to be part of your group, and people need to feel that they belong to a special group, unique and better than others. Categorizing by race, something that is difficult or impossible to "falsify", allows us to prevent the entry of others whom we consider different or directly worse than us, from being part of our group.

Groups, group categorization, hierarchy of different groups, the need to be as high up as possible in that group ranking, clearly differentiating ourselves from other groups, especially those we consider to be below ours.

I don't know, it has been occurring to me while I was writing, and it seems to me an improvised theory quite acceptable.

Edit:I think that on a day-to-day basis we would realize that no, that real closeness with others is obtained more from a similar culture+language than just race, because shared language and culture makes us see reality in a very similar way, while "race" itself does not necessarily.

Maybe what many here lack is a real life experience to realize it, and not interested news and forums on the internet.

[gixajo]

The ideal would be, as always, to judge by individuals.

But those in charge find it more comfortable to use groups. It is easier to lead a flock, directing it with a single order than having to convince 150 sheep one by one.

It is easier to pit one herd against another for the same reason.

Also related to the sense of belonging to a group, worked hard by those in charge, so that each sheep loves its flock more than the other flocks.

[PierreUno]

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Now that is what I call pathological projection!

What is matter cat got your tongue ? :

Real science is not chronotopic like history but on the opposite side of the spectrum along with philosophy. The body of doctrines of science and philosophy are general truths that can happen at any time or place. However, science and philosophy use different methods to ascertain those truths :

“In fact not long after psychology entered the lexicon, the noted philosopher Immanuel Kant dismissed the possibility of psychology as a natural science. The best it could hope for, he argued, given that psychology lacked any axiomatic basis (a system of undisputed a priori propositions from which to proceed), as well as the considerable problems associated with introspection, was to proceed empirically and produce a collection of facts which could be ordered and classified. As such it would at best comprise an historical doctrine of nature (Brysbaert & Rastle, 2013). This criticism finds echoes in Kenneth Gergen’s (1973) argument, toward the end of the 20th century, that psychology is not a science and should be considered a branch of historical knowledge, capable only of statements whose truths are contingent on time and place (see Chapter 2). Kant queried the value of introspection –the attempt to systematically make observations of one’s own mind –because not only does one alter, by observing, what is being observed, but what is doing the observing and what is being observed are one and the same. Karl Popper’s view of science was that it needs “points of view and theoretical problems” (2002, p.88). Psychology, when it began, had neither. Arguably this is still the case. Auguste Comte, the founder of sociology as well as the doctrine of positivism, made similar arguments. To him psychology’s subject matter, the soul, was beyond the reach of the senses and immeasurable. It could never attain the status of a science.”

Roberts, R. (2015) Psychology and Capitalism: The Manipulation of Mind. Alresford: Zero Books

As Conrad and Potter have summated of psychiatry’s diagnostic project here, the process is necessarily historically and culturally contingent:

“[c]ertain diagnostic categories appear and disappear over time, reflecting and reinforcing particular ideologies within the ‘diagnostic project’ (the professional legitimization of diagnoses), as well as within the larger social order.”

Conrad, P., and Potter, D. (2000) ‘From Hyperactive Children to ADHD Adults: Observations on the Expansion of Medical Categories’, Social Problems, 47(4): 559–582.

Roberts stated of the production of “facts” on pathology from the psychological sciences :

“[t]hese are arrived at outside the scientific arena and then imported into it by a system of smoke and mirrors to claim scientific backing for what are essentially political or moral judgments.”

Roberts, R. (2015) Psychology and Capitalism: The Manipulation of Mind. Alresford: Zero Books

“EVERY SO OFTEN Al Frances says something that seems to surprise even him. Just now, for instance, in the predawn darkness of his comfortable, rambling home in Carmel, California, he has broken off his exercise routine to declare that “there is no definition of a mental disorder. It’s bullshit. I mean, you just can’t define it.” Then an odd, reflective look crosses his face, as if he’s taking in the strangeness of this scene: Allen Frances, lead editor of the fourth edition of the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (universally known as the DSM-IV), the guy who wrote the book on mental illness, confessing that “these concepts are virtually impossible to define precisely with bright lines at the boundaries.” For the first time in two days, the conversation comes to an awkward halt.”

https://www.wired.com/2010/12/ff-dsmv/

“Receiving widespread attention in the mainstream media was the July 2022 article “The Serotonin Theory of Depression: A Systematic Umbrella Review of the Evidence,” published in the journal Molecular Psychiatry. In it, Joanna Moncrieff, co-chairperson of the Critical Psychiatry Network, and her co-researchers examined hundreds of different types of studies that attempted to detect a relationship between depression and serotonin, and concluded that there is no evidence of a link between low levels of serotonin and depression, stating: “We suggest it is time to acknowledge that the serotonin theory of depression is not empirically substantiated.”

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35854107/


The invalidity of psychiatry’s chemical imbalance theory of mental illness has been conceded by members of Establishment psychiatry—including Thomas Insel. In 2011, establishment psychiatrist Ronald Pies, Editor-in-Chief Emeritus of the Psychiatric Times, stated: “In truth, the ‘chemical imbalance’ notion was always a kind of urban legend—never a theory seriously propounded by well-informed psychiatrists.” In his book Healing, Thomas Insel acknowledged the need for Psychiatry to jettison the chemical imbalance theory, stating: “The idea of mental illness as a ‘chemical imbalance’ has now given way to mental illnesses as ‘connectional’ or brain circuit disorders.”

However, this “brain circuit” theory there is as little evidence for this new biological defect theory as there was for the now invalidated chemical imbalance theory; but acutely crucial to psychiatry’s usefulness for the ruling class which values any explanation for mental or emotional suffering that does not include an increasingly dehumanizing and alienating society—is some kind of ‘individual defect’ theory of ‘mental illness.’

Apropos to this new ‘brain circuit’ theory was a prescient insight stated by philosopher Baruch Spinoza :

“Indeed, as the multitude remains ever at the same level of wretchedness, so it is never long contented, and is best pleased only with what is new and has not yet proved delusory.” --Spinoza

“Published in the journal Neuron, Raymond Dolan—considered one of the most influential neuroscientists in the world—co-authored “Functional Neuroimaging in Psychiatry and the Case for Failing Better,” concluding, “Despite three decades of intense neuroimaging research, we still lack a neurobiological account for any psychiatric condition.”Reflecting on the more than 16,000 neuroimaging articles published during the last 30 years, Dolan and his co-authors concluded: “It remains difficult to refute a critique that psychiatry’s most fundamental characteristic is its ignorance. . . . Casting a cold eye on the psychiatric neuroimaging literature invites a conclusion that despite 30 years of intense research and considerable technological advances, this enterprise has not delivered a neurobiological account (i.e., a mechanistic explanation) for any psychiatric disorder, nor has it provided a credible imaging-based biomarker of clinical utility.”

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35981525/

[PierreUno]

The ideal would be, as always, to judge by individuals.

But those in charge find it more comfortable to use groups. It is easier to lead a flock, directing it with a single order than having to convince 150 sheep one by one.

It is easier to pit one herd against another for the same reason.

Also related to the sense of belonging to a group, worked hard by those in charge, so that each sheep loves its flock more than the other flocks.

So, when walking down the street , in any major city , you have AI powered computer glasses that can pull up the rap sheet or police and educational records of any random black male that passes you knowing that they committ more crimes than 'whites' in general ? Birds of a feather flock together and the odd bird who doesn't flock generally doesn't cause any problems. You are starting to sound like a dunce just like TootingCarmen don't obviously shit your pants that way.

[Petalpusher]

Language and culture can change, race can not so racial changes are far more damaging than other two. It's pretty easy to get.

I agree. Maybe to phrase it differently, languages can traverse races and endure time but once a native race has been disolved into something else, it's over, there is no going back to the original state and it will appropriate itself the land it lives on, whatever the language you speak. Once you are Brazil, well... you are Brazil. It's a more fundamental question as it's irreversible.

[axel.aleman]

Bueno yo prefiero una castiza de los suburbios de la Ciudad de Panamá a una parda proveniente de la península de Azuero cuya cultura es más cercana a la colombiana o una afram mezclada. También prefiero criollas cubanas, dominicanas, Boris, brasileñas o castizas de zonas bajas de la costa caribe colombiana o la costa venezolana

En mi caso la cultura es más importante que la raza y lo he aprendido aquí precisamente. Que la mayoría de los usuarios sigan con las misma necedades de siempre no es la regla

[PierreUno]

I agree. Maybe to phrase it differently, languages can traverse races and endure time but once a native race has been disolved into something else, it's over, there is no going back to the original state and it will appropriate itself the land it lives on, whatever the language you speak. Once you are Brazil, well... you are Brazil. It's a more fundamental question as it's irreversible.

Right, Brazil is more corrupt than 'white' or European (especially Western European societies) countries largely because of race of course the CIA destabilizing the place doesn't help but that doesn't matter when you have a Bismarck, Richelieu or Churchill etc.. to lead the way of a genetically sound demographic or whatnot.

[Tooting Carmen]

Right, Brazil is more corrupt than 'white' or European (especially Western European societies) countries largely because of race of course the CIA destabilizing the place doesn't help but that doesn't matter when you have a Bismarck, Richelieu or Churchill etc.. to lead the way of a genetically sound demographic or whatnot.

It is no worse than much of Eastern Europe in terms of corruption levels.

[PierreUno]

It is no worse than much of Eastern Europe in terms of corruption levels.

Why should I give a shit about slavics when I look NorthWestern European ? My Y-DNA can be found in Cornwall and my mtdna is the same as Queen Victoria's. My autosomal DNA is English or Dutch and Britain is one of the biggest supporters of the war in the Ukraine against Russia. I think the king of England recently made a great speech in Germany praising them for their role in the Ukraine and their role in working with Britain in finding alternative green energy sources.