Why do so many in this forum put so much more emphasis on race than culture or language?

[Creoda]

Maybe not as much, but I might still be interested in languages at least. And how does alnortedelusr's ancestry come out so vividly then?

It's obvious. How many fully European people do you know who act or express themselves like him.

[Tooting Carmen]

It's obvious. How many fully European people do you know who act or express themselves like him.

There are full Spaniards who as or more hysterical than him on this forum: CV and gallop come to mind, to name but two examples.

[Tooting Carmen]

Also, most people I have attended language courses with have no (known) ancestry from Spanish-speaking, French-speaking or Portuguese-speaking nations, so that argument is a nonsense too.

[PierreUno]

I haven't done a 23andme test yet, but my Mum has, and she came out 33% Amerindian 3% Black and the rest Caucasoid (Euro and some MENA). alnorte, however, has done a 23andme test - you can ask him about his results.

Yeah, well for me one day AncestryDNA was like you are 100% Euro e.g. Irish, Scottish and Norwegian then some years later was like bam ! You are now magically 1% SSA but sequencing.com (which I trust unlike genomelink) told me I was mostly British and Irish w/ 18% German/French and broadly northwestern European w/ like 2 or 3% Eastern Euro with no non-Euro ancestry that seems spot on since I am 25% Alsace/Lorraine France and G25 tells me I am minor non-white but that is made by a polack trying to tell me I am mostly Norwegain mixed w/ some Spanish so I ignore that polack science. However, at 33% then yeah It is hard for them to fake it but there was always the possibility of being secretly adopted , eh ? Smart people tend to be skeptical is all I am saying.

I don't trust American 23andme nor AncestryDNA nor Polack science per se.

[B01AB20]

I'm not - I am only saying how irrational much of it really is (as even you alluded to you earlier yourself).



Tribalism arguably is, but not so much racism. (The former means "I hate you because you are different and a stranger", whereas the latter means "I hate you because you are inferior").

Also, would you (and alnorte too, for that matter) really find it easier to make friends with some monolingual Scandinavians or Slavs than some Latin Americans who happened to be dark-skinned?

You're making-up things and pushing it to extremes, maybe because you feel personally involved.
For me to be 'racialist', 'racist' is very demonized word, only means I rather want to live in a homogeneous, regarding race, society. I don't hate people because of their race, language or whatever, I'm not a psycho, and the hate you mention is psychotic.

Of course it would be easier to make friends with latinamericans no matter what race they were. In fact latinamericans are better integrated and regarded in Spain than most other foreigners.
But I still want to live in a racially homogeneous society, it's healthier and natural.

Can you point out a multiculti society/country without strong racial and/or social tensions due to racial differences?

[Tooting Carmen]

You're making-up things and pushing it to extremes, maybe because you feel personally involved.
For me to be 'racialist', 'racist' is very demonized word, only means I rather want to live in a homogeneous, regarding race, society. I don't hate people because of their race, language or whatever, I'm not a psycho, and the hate you mention is psychotic.

Of course it would be easier to make friends with latinamericans no matter what race they were. In fact latinamericans are better integrated and regarded in Spain than most other foreigners.
But I still want to live in a racially homogeneous society, it's healthier and natural.

Can you point out a multiculti society/country without strong racial and/or social tensions due to racial differences?

Possibly Canada? (The Quebec issue notwithstanding). New Zealand is not too bad either. But generally I agree, homogeneous societies tend to be more peaceful and cohesive, at least insofar as they do not have large socioeconomic disparities, which isn't guaranteed.

N.B. And at least you have the honesty and decency re Latin Americans. (Would some other Spaniards on this forum do so though?)

[Occiput in Starlight]

I think some people living in the developed world who put a lot of emphasis on race do so in the pursuit of self-expression. Having a defined identity and a distilled sense of self is very important in the 21st century.

Today people undertake the road to a sense of self more consciously and strategically than ever before. We no longer become who we are just willy-nilly. We design and contrive our way to selfhood with dollars and wireless.

One guy may be polyamorous and organize his schedule around consuming anime, another guy might attend viking concerts and organize his beliefs around his haplogroup. Today pastimes don't just pass the time, and individuality is a muscle that can be trained.

[PierreUno]

Hard to explain with a logic reasoning, maybe because it's no logic or reasonable.
Hard to explain based on education and instilled values becuase I grew up with the mantra 'there's only a race the human race' and bla bla bla.
Hard to explain based on subliminal messages my mind is bombed everyday with, in the media, advertising, academia etc, because they're all spreading multicultural values.

But it's a inner feeling I can't ignore or counteract, it's a basic instinct like sex or self-protection.

Why?, don't know, but race is a basic and primordial thing to me, language and culture are just acquired things, outside of my inner self.

(joder, que trascendente me ha quedado )

Maybe, two Americans know history (I am one of them) and I scored 90 percent on a pew research scientific knowledge quiz so I am racist because ironically I am not as ignorant and uneducated as the average American. The average American is a dumbfuck who thinks blacks are equal because they make low IQ rap, porn and are good at a lot of sports, Asians aren't that fucking stupid you better believe they know blacks are inferior not absolutely but in key areas that really matter.

[B01AB20]

Possibly Canada? (The Quebec issue notwithstanding). New Zealand is not too bad either. But generally I agree, homogeneous societies tend to be more peaceful and cohesive, at least insofar as they do not have large socioeconomic disparities, which isn't guaranteed.

Not that a racial homogeneity is a guarantee for social peace and happyness, I'm not so naive to say that. Religion and economics are causes of struggle and conflict. Look at India and Pakistan, same race but nevertheless their separation was a huge blood bath ans still today a big and deep hate is present between muslims and hindus.

And then why should we add to the list of possible social conficts the multicultural factor?. Or in other words, has the multiculti factor been some time a source of peace and harmony somewhere?.

Note that I'm rationalicing racialism now. I said first it was an instinct, but besides it is reasonable and based, lol.

N.B. And at least you have the honesty and decency re Latin Americans. (Would some other Spaniards on this forum do so though?)

YES OF COURSE, , you're being unfair with us. Take off your head CV and gallop and you'll see things a bit more clear.

[Tooting Carmen]

Not that a racial homogeneity is a guarantee for social peace and happyness, I'm not so naive to say that. Religion and economics are causes of struggle and conflict. Look at India and Pakistan, same race but nevertheless their separation was a huge blood bath ans still today a big and deep hate is present between muslims and hindus.

And then why should we add to the list of possible social conficts the multicultural factor?. Ot in other words, has the multiculti factor been some time a source of peace and harmony somewhere?.

Note that I'm rationalicing racialism now. I said first it was an instinct, but besides it is reasonable and based, lol.

Many of the problems ascribed to multiracial nations aren't necessarily to do with them being multiracial per se, but to do with discriminatory laws and practices and their legacy. South Africa and much of the US practiced Apartheid for a long time, and Brazil and Cuba also used to have discriminatory laws regarding Blacks and property ownership etc, even though it didn't quite amount to full-scale Apartheid. And like you said, race/ethnicity aren't the sole causes of conflict: Northern Irish Catholics and Protestants look pretty much identical, yet even today they still have so-called "peace walls" between the two communities in the poorer parts of Belfast. (A BBC documentary about NI I saw hosted by a Black South African woman visiting it said that, in some ways, the divisions there were actually worse than in SA!)

YES OF COURSE, , you're being unfair with us. Take off your head CV and gallop and you'll see things a bit more clear.

Those are two particularly extreme examples, but let's face it: most Spaniards in this forum (even more than some other Western nationalities, I would hasten to add) are quite right-leaning to varying degrees and would have been at least indifferent/tolerant if not outright supportive of Franco.