Map of Europe showing WHG, Baltic HG, Yamnaya and Neolithic ancestry

**aherne** · 01-12-2023, 06:08 AM

Originally Posted by vader

Can you provide a source that is saying Iberians get drastically less steppe which if true (it's not) would contradict the top academic studies on the subject? Because currently you're solely basing that opinion on phenotypes: "should be three times less, as phenotypes show"... That's pseudoscience - enough said.

Top academic studies are worth shit if they are contradicted by history and common sense:

- Russians, being Slavs, originate from a region nearby Corded Ware homeland. That region (N Ukraine, S Belarus) was sparsely inhabited, battered by wave after wave of Aryan invasions until Balto-Slavs were born.
- Iberians, lived on the furthest side to Aryans' homeland in a region that was densely inhabited (as all Mediterranean Europe, Balkans included, during Neolithic and Antiquity). They only suffered from relatively sparse Keltic and to a much lesser extent Germanic invasions, even managed to keep their language in large parts of peninsula for a very long time (Basque being their living remnant).

You just cannot compare the two and phenotypes, as always, roughly reflect history. For example, a couple of days ago I saw a footage from Leipzig and Dresden... The level of Slavic influence there is enormous, so much so they pass better as Russian than as Danish. Why? Because those areas were settled by Slavs (even the two placenames are Slavic), then latter were gradually absorbed by Germans.

It's not that generic oracles are worthless by definition: they just didn't reach a level where they are reliable enough to be taken seriously without a big grain of salt. Racial anthropology is unfortunately still more reliable...

**alexmegas777** · 01-12-2023, 12:07 PM

Distance to: alexmegas(Romanian)_scaled
0.14471683 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.16136597 TUR_Barcin_N
0.16675029 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.18832088 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.20342132 Levant_PPNB
0.30927341 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.31563361 Baltic_LVA_HG
0.36845456 WHG
0.37819812 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.45990468 Jarawa
0.46405664 MAR_Taforalt
0.61275970 Han
0.61874511 Nganassan
0.62547168 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA:kra001
0.66653150 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.67374577 ETH_4500BP
0.73358756 Dinka
0.74615152 Gambian
0.77221549 Yoruba
0.81024455 Papuan
0.93575727 Ju_hoan_North
0.94809076 Mbuti

Target: alexmegas(Romanian)_scaled
Distance: 3.5365% / 0.03536512
34.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
34.4 TUR_Barcin_N
20.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
10.0 Baltic_LVA_HG

**Jingle Bell** · 01-12-2023, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by aherne

Bullshit, as all genetic oracle pseudo-science. 30% steppe ancestry in Iberians vs 45% in Russians defies history and logic... While latter is possible, former is untenable: Iberia was densely inhabited so Aryans' influence was pretty small (should be three times less, as phenotypes show). 25% ENF admixture in Finns is also untenable: that area was originally inhabited by Northern Old Europeans (unknown ethnicity) then by Aryans and Finnic peoples. There were little to no ENF settlements...

30% sounds very accurate fro the 4 Waves of Indo-Europeans which occoured in Iberia, in Copper Age the Bell Beakers of Central Europe get in iberia, mixed with the Megalicthics and creates the Bell Beakers of Iberia (10 - 15% Steppe), after that in the BA - IA te Urnfield cultutre starts to expand in all directions and in iberia too, in the Late Bronze Age the Proto-Celts were alr in Catalonia, and after much more waves coming from Hallsttat Culture we saw individuals from Middle Iron Age which were scoring 9% - 16% Steppe in Tartessos, 15% - 23% in Iberians (The tribe from East of Peninsula) and 25% - 32% Steppe in the North were Celtiberian language were spoken, and even after that we saw Romans settlers in Iberia ( 15% - 25% Steppe) but they kinda shifted Iberia so despite begin another Indo European invasion they still dont change Steppe component to a bigger level, and the Final Indo-European imigration occours on Final of Roma were Suebi, Alans and Goth get kimdons in Iberia, from south to north, despite that begin the qave with the minor impact (Germanic are abt 3% - 5% of genepool and they werent pure germanic, they were heavily Celts from Central Europe too) that still occoured and created the modern Iberian with 24% in Basques to 33% on Pirineus, which a average of 28% on East and 30 on Steppe, so u still think that after 4 Waves of Indo Europeans (Bell Beaker, Celts, Romans, Germanic) that 30% is too much for Iberia and that should be 3x less
and no, thats was not comproved by only 1 study, but by multiple studies on qpAdm, g25, archeological sites on Iberia, Central Europe and all Mediterran and also was confirmed by historians, man Celts replaced abt 28% - 43% of previous Acestry in the East in Bronze Age - Iron Age (thats just on East were the Celtiberians a mixed tribe lived, the number would be even bigger on the West were the "pure" celts lived)
About the phenos, Central Bell Beakers & Celts clusters with Frenchs (a mix of Med, Alpine, CM, Dinaric and Nordic), Romans clusters with S. Italians and Greeks (A mix of Dinaric, Med, Armenoid and Alpine), Germanics were variable, some clusters on Serbia, some in germany, some in French so u know, all the phenotypes which i said occours in Iberia, so what wrong?

**aherne** · 01-12-2023, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Jingle Bell

30% sounds very accurate fro the 4 Waves of Indo-Europeans which occoured in Iberia

You can believe what you want... You answer my logic with more oracle "mumbo-jumbo": this is called a circular argument. Let's ignore both genetic estimates and racial anthropology then concentrate on population densities as far as we can tell from archaeological remains: if we accept that RU are 45% "steppe" but Iberians are 30%, then to reconcile with vast population density differences between (then forested) North-Central Europe and Iberian Peninsula it means that a lot more Aryans poured into the peninsula than stayed in central Europe. While that is not impossible, I find it extremely unlikely... If that were true, the entire peninsula would have been Aryanized long before, when in reality when Romans came 1/2 still spoke the old (Basque-like) languages and even in Celtiberians the local influence was enormous: given that many places even around Madrid, in full Keltiberian heartland, have Iberian names.

**Kenshiro** · 07-05-2023, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by Nurzat

experimental K22 (Eurogenes standard G25 calculator plus 5 populations).

(Neolithic on the map is Barcin plus Tepecik-Çiftlik)

straight outta Paint

Code:

TUR_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
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BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP,0.050765,-0.3095332,0.1206032,0.098515,-0.1156522,-0.017626,-0.284645,-0.3400012,-0.0136212,-0.0184422,0.002241,-0.003267,0.0004162,0.017478,-0.0065688,0.0064438,0.006493,-0.001267,0.0026898,0.003727,-0.0010482,0.007963,-0.002662,-0.0043378,0.001413
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ETH_4500BP,-0.511066,0.043668,0.000754,0.000969,-0.00277,-0.011435,0.050997,-0.045229,0.089172,-0.087838,-0.012991,-0.002997,-0.031219,0.000688,0.02158,-0.029965,0.027772,0.039273,0.00176,-0.009004,0.000374,0.006183,-0.003451,-0.00241,-0.000838
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Han,0.0206952,-0.4507105,-0.0082967,-0.0651579,0.0780846,0.0374475,0.0029055,-0.004804,-0.0150232,-0.0031146,-0.0495875,-0.0070573,0.0072707,-0.0081072,-0.0043305,0.0012535,0.0017542,-0.0008638,-0.0020455,-0.0102206,0.0122397,0.0069582,0.0141063,-0.0012925,-0.0022315
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728,0.033009,-0.081242,-0.184789,0.125325,-0.09848,0.06777,0.002585,0.007615,0.03661,0.02606,-0.002273,0.010041,-0.005798,0.006744,0.004479,0.001326,0.008605,0.001267,0.00352,0.001376,0.003743,-0.004946,-0.00037,-0.00253,-0.007305
Jarawa,-0.0219821,-0.2430289,-0.1324164,0.0986968,0.0323713,-0.0045841,-0.01012,0.0065044,0.0546974,0.0238044,0.0228054,0.0027349,-0.0041532,0.0103562,-0.0108067,-0.0114441,0.0094529,-0.0019082,-0.0062221,0.0286778,-0.0046401,0.0111366,-0.0123402,0.0022668,0.0049844
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,0.1013025,0.133034,-0.07071,-0.043605,-0.0498555,-0.0092035,0.008108,-0.011653,-0.066368,-0.01631,0.0030855,0.011015,-0.019846,0.005849,0.0042075,-0.0102095,-0.0001305,-0.003927,-0.001697,0.0032515,0.003494,-0.000247,-0.0036975,-0.0090975,-0.0030535
Levant_PPNB,0.072847,0.1639064,-0.0316026,-0.1361132,0.0332986,-0.0645352,-0.0134426,-0.0147684,0.0741604,0.03601,0.0188046,-0.0150764,0.035738,0.0025596,-0.0217696,0.006099,0.0098048,-0.0013176,-0.0047264,0.0188088,-0.001797,0.0071472,0.0008872,-0.0056874,-0.0037602
MAR_Taforalt,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
Nganassan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477,0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556
WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0.1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0.0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561,0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
Baltic_LVA_HG,0.1292603,0.1004104,0.1802636,0.1972329,0.1064236,0.0560919,0.0083574,0.0207106,0.0524476,-0.0261394,-0.0046788,-0.0181151,0.0281434,-0.0053759,0.0355759,0.0480141,0.003072,0.0040856,-0.0059236,0.042325,0.0613526,0.0130531,-0.0262979,-0.1110549,0.0095949
RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA:kra001,0.034147,-0.421445,0.150471,-0.002907,-0.14495,-0.082273,0.019741,0.035998,0.02577,0.000364,0.083792,-3e-04,0.015758,-0.048994,-0.04343,-0.029833,0.000652,0.005574,0.004902,-0.012381,0.026453,0.003462,0.001725,0.00723,0.012813
Mbuti,-0.647426,0.0591038,0.0254932,0.0374034,-0.001108,0.0066378,0.3663348,-0.293434,0.0177118,0.02985,-0.0089316,0.2198242,0.1264506,0.0010182,0.010342,-0.0014052,0.0009386,-0.0518664,0.014229,0.003727,0.0061144,-0.0018548,-0.0043878,0.0025304,-0.0006944
Ju_hoan_North,-0.616466,0.0601194,0.0211942,0.028424,0.0025852,-0.0038486,0.2541404,-0.199192,0.0240112,0.007909,0.0032478,-0.0723558,-0.0255104,0.00867,0.0283928,-0.0321662,0.0461558,0.4102178,-0.1364076,0.003877,-0.0556018,-0.0051686,0.0126206,-0.0044826,0.0028978
Papuan,-0.0459844,-0.2410866,-0.2637584,0.3092414,0.2069308,-0.509589,-0.001974,0.0070152,-0.041273,-0.0119546,-0.018902,0.000869,0.0013974,-0.00311,0.0001628,-0.0003186,-0.0021906,-0.0018498,-0.001081,-0.0015256,0.0023458,0.0018052,0.0012324,0.0018314,0.0016048

Bersaglio: Kenshiro_scaled
Distanza: 2.1004% / 0.02100382
39.6 TUR_Barcin_N
30.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
19.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
5.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
2.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.8 Baltic_LVA_HG
0.8 Han
0.4 MAR_Taforalt
Strange i have Baltic HG but not WHG, from North Apulia (south Italy)

**Dušan** · 07-05-2023, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Nurzat

experimental K22 (Eurogenes standard G25 calculator plus 5 populations).

(Neolithic on the map is Barcin plus Tepecik-Çiftlik)

straight outta Paint

Code:

TUR_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,0.108701,0.1731478,-0.0143308,-0.100534,0.0270818,-0.0402298,-0.0045828,-0.005019,0.02623,0.05745,0.008444,0.0080555,-0.0101832,0.0052298,-0.0352192,-0.0104748,0.0088662,0.0004432,0.005342,-0.0032828,0.0026827,0.0044515,-0.0071795,-0.0038258,-0.0045805
BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP,0.050765,-0.3095332,0.1206032,0.098515,-0.1156522,-0.017626,-0.284645,-0.3400012,-0.0136212,-0.0184422,0.002241,-0.003267,0.0004162,0.017478,-0.0065688,0.0064438,0.006493,-0.001267,0.0026898,0.003727,-0.0010482,0.007963,-0.002662,-0.0043378,0.001413
Dinka,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0096995
ETH_4500BP,-0.511066,0.043668,0.000754,0.000969,-0.00277,-0.011435,0.050997,-0.045229,0.089172,-0.087838,-0.012991,-0.002997,-0.031219,0.000688,0.02158,-0.029965,0.027772,0.039273,0.00176,-0.009004,0.000374,0.006183,-0.003451,-0.00241,-0.000838
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Han,0.0206952,-0.4507105,-0.0082967,-0.0651579,0.0780846,0.0374475,0.0029055,-0.004804,-0.0150232,-0.0031146,-0.0495875,-0.0070573,0.0072707,-0.0081072,-0.0043305,0.0012535,0.0017542,-0.0008638,-0.0020455,-0.0102206,0.0122397,0.0069582,0.0141063,-0.0012925,-0.0022315
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728,0.033009,-0.081242,-0.184789,0.125325,-0.09848,0.06777,0.002585,0.007615,0.03661,0.02606,-0.002273,0.010041,-0.005798,0.006744,0.004479,0.001326,0.008605,0.001267,0.00352,0.001376,0.003743,-0.004946,-0.00037,-0.00253,-0.007305
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Levant_PPNB,0.072847,0.1639064,-0.0316026,-0.1361132,0.0332986,-0.0645352,-0.0134426,-0.0147684,0.0741604,0.03601,0.0188046,-0.0150764,0.035738,0.0025596,-0.0217696,0.006099,0.0098048,-0.0013176,-0.0047264,0.0188088,-0.001797,0.0071472,0.0008872,-0.0056874,-0.0037602
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Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0.0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561,0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
Baltic_LVA_HG,0.1292603,0.1004104,0.1802636,0.1972329,0.1064236,0.0560919,0.0083574,0.0207106,0.0524476,-0.0261394,-0.0046788,-0.0181151,0.0281434,-0.0053759,0.0355759,0.0480141,0.003072,0.0040856,-0.0059236,0.042325,0.0613526,0.0130531,-0.0262979,-0.1110549,0.0095949
RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA:kra001,0.034147,-0.421445,0.150471,-0.002907,-0.14495,-0.082273,0.019741,0.035998,0.02577,0.000364,0.083792,-3e-04,0.015758,-0.048994,-0.04343,-0.029833,0.000652,0.005574,0.004902,-0.012381,0.026453,0.003462,0.001725,0.00723,0.012813
Mbuti,-0.647426,0.0591038,0.0254932,0.0374034,-0.001108,0.0066378,0.3663348,-0.293434,0.0177118,0.02985,-0.0089316,0.2198242,0.1264506,0.0010182,0.010342,-0.0014052,0.0009386,-0.0518664,0.014229,0.003727,0.0061144,-0.0018548,-0.0043878,0.0025304,-0.0006944
Ju_hoan_North,-0.616466,0.0601194,0.0211942,0.028424,0.0025852,-0.0038486,0.2541404,-0.199192,0.0240112,0.007909,0.0032478,-0.0723558,-0.0255104,0.00867,0.0283928,-0.0321662,0.0461558,0.4102178,-0.1364076,0.003877,-0.0556018,-0.0051686,0.0126206,-0.0044826,0.0028978
Papuan,-0.0459844,-0.2410866,-0.2637584,0.3092414,0.2069308,-0.509589,-0.001974,0.0070152,-0.041273,-0.0119546,-0.018902,0.000869,0.0013974,-0.00311,0.0001628,-0.0003186,-0.0021906,-0.0018498,-0.001081,-0.0015256,0.0023458,0.0018052,0.0012324,0.0018314,0.0016048

For map:

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Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 5.5615% / 0.05561473
37.2 TUR_Barcin_N
36.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.0 Baltic_LVA_HG
12.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N

**Mr. M** · 07-10-2023, 09:01 PM

Target: majevica_scaled
Distance: 4.5417% / 0.04541661
48.0 TUR_Barcin_N
36.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.2 Baltic_LVA_HG
0.2 Han

**~~Beowulf~~** · 07-10-2023, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by Beowulf

me:
Target: IvanK13
Distance: 3.1230% / 0.03123039
55.4 TUR_Barcin_N
30.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.6 WHG
3.2 MAR_Taforalt

mother:
Target: MamaK13
Distance: 2.9698% / 0.02969786
53.4 TUR_Barcin_N
29.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.8 WHG
5.0 MAR_Taforalt

grandmother:
Target: AbuelaK13
Distance: 2.7266% / 0.02726597
54.2 TUR_Barcin_N
32.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.8 WHG
1.6 MAR_Taforalt

grandfather:
Target: AbueloK13t
Distance: 3.6664% / 0.03666374
51.4 TUR_Barcin_N
32.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.8 WHG
2.0 MAR_Taforalt

father:
Target: papaK13
Distance: 3.2922% / 0.03292155
57.2 TUR_Barcin_N
28.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
12.8 WHG
2.0 MAR_Taforalt

With real coordinates:

Target: Ivorix_Scaled
Distance: 0.0314% / 0.03139359
52.4 TUR_Barcin_N
36.1 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.6 WHG
0.9 MAR_Taforalt

**Katarzyna** · 07-10-2023, 09:25 PM

Target: Katarzyna_scaled
Distance: 6.4866% / 0.06486644
38.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
36.0 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
26.0 Baltic_LVA_HG

Wow I am far below the average on Yamnaya. Looks like I have to move to Romania soon to keep up with it