I became Germanic overnight!

[Katarzyna]

Polish from Ukraine

Target: Abriekman_dad_scaled
Distance: 1.7066% / 0.01706622
41.4 (Balto-)SlavicEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA009
35.0 (Balto-)SlavicEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
11.2 Balkan
8.0 Germanic
3.6 Graeco-Roman
0.8 Finnic-like

Here are mine

Target: Katarzyna_scaled(sim)
Distance: 1.0649% / 0.01064913
32.8 (Balto-)SlavicEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA011
29.0 (Balto-)SlavicEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
19.0 (Balto-)Slavic
11.4 (Balto-)SlavicEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA009
5.2 Balkan
2.0 Germanic
0.6 Turkic

Target: Katarzyna(real)
Distance: 1.0979% / 0.01097915
39.0 (Balto-)SlavicEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
21.6 (Balto-)Slavic
16.6 Germanic
16.2 (Balto-)SlavicEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA009
5.8 (Balto-)SlavicEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA011
0.8 Turkic

[Katarzyna]

Here you can see my new PCA

[Peterski]

It's a shame that Polish regional averages still do not exist on G25. There are even Ukrainian averages but not for Poland.

Average

Target: Polish
Distance: 0.5500% / 0.00550033
48.4 Ukrainian_Rivne
34.8 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
14.0 Danish
2.8 Serbian

Wielkopolska individuals

Target: PolishL_WlkpSouth4_Odolanow
Distance: 1.7421% / 0.01742076
64.0 Ukrainian_Rivne
16.8 Danish
14.6 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
4.6 Serbian


Target: PolishL_WlkpWest1_Miedzychod_Wielen
Distance: 1.9956% / 0.01995574
79.8 Ukrainian_Rivne
20.2 Danish


Target: PolishL_WlkpSouth2
Distance: 1.7220% / 0.01721987
82.0 Ukrainian_Rivne
15.6 Danish
2.4 Serbian


Target: PolishL_WlkpNorth1
Distance: 2.1582% / 0.02158171
73.8 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
19.4 Danish
3.8 Ukrainian_Rivne
3.0 Serbian

I don't know if you follow Anthrogenica, but there are new Polish Early Medieval samples there, including many from Wielkopolska:

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post939790

This average for Early Medieval Wielkopolska was made using 40 high coverage samples (listed below):

Early_Medieval_Wielkopolska,0.1281648,0.1243262,0.0755374,0.0691947,0.041923,0.0256997,0.0086249,0.0124956,-0.0003477,-0.0262967,-0.002314,-0.0108129,0.017029,0.0221779,-0.008978,0.0013623,0.003742,-0.0012415,0.0037772,0.0000782,-0.0035406,-0.0054036,0.0074811,-0.0058562,0.0019818

Samples used:

Medieval_Markowice:PCA0156,0.124067,0.119832,0.073916,0.065892,0.03693,0.034582,0.003525,0.014769,-0.008999,-0.02041,-0.001461,-0.02278,0.011893,0.033442,-0.017644,-0.005304,0.002868,0.001774,0.002765,-0.003877,0.001996,-0.012242,0.003574,-0.016026,0.003353
Medieval_Markowice:PCA0158,0.12862,0.126941,0.068259,0.055879,0.040623,0.02259,0.00611,0.009692,-0.0045,-0.030069,-0.000325,-0.012889,0.016799,0.027387,-0.013029,-0.013524,-0.010561,0.001014,0.014581,-0.007504,-0.004118,-0.001237,0.001479,-0.003615,0.007424
Medieval_Legowo:PCA0165,0.132035,0.117801,0.082589,0.084949,0.044316,0.030957,0.014571,0.01523,-0.002454,-0.019864,-0.006171,-0.020682,0.036422,0.029314,-0.003393,-0.010475,-0.004694,-0.012542,0.000503,-0.005878,-0.003993,-0.008779,0.005546,0.001807,0.002754
Medieval_Legowo:PCA0166,0.118376,0.132019,0.067505,0.077843,0.032621,0.044344,0.0047,0.014999,-0.006136,-0.03426,0.005684,-0.004946,0.010704,0.029864,0.000814,-0.019756,-0.008866,0.004054,0.009804,0.002501,-0.00262,-0.001607,0.013434,-0.011688,0.00946
Medieval_Legowo:PCA0167,0.121791,0.125926,0.080327,0.084303,0.041546,0.029562,0.00376,0.009923,0.001432,-0.018588,-0.003897,-0.016635,0.015609,0.029176,-0.002579,0.003182,0.005346,0.005448,0.000754,-0.002001,-0.005241,0.001484,0.011092,-0.007953,-0.001078
Medieval_Legowo:PCA0169,0.130897,0.121864,0.084852,0.080427,0.0437,0.039045,0.022091,0.025845,0.02127,-0.033167,-0.006496,-0.012589,0.020812,0.022708,0.000271,0.008884,0.016168,0.000507,0.017346,0.002001,0.003619,-0.013107,0.000739,-0.007712,0.008622
Medieval_Lad:PCA0181,0.135449,0.123895,0.068636,0.073321,0.046162,0.028168,0.001175,0.015692,0.002659,-0.02442,0.000974,-0.009292,0.01665,0.0139,-0.029723,0.002784,-0.00013,-0.006334,-0.001508,-0.005253,-0.003244,0.000866,0.006532,-0.021328,-0.017244
Medieval_Lad:PCA0182,0.122929,0.131003,0.084852,0.0646,0.043393,0.034861,0.007285,0.000923,0.008181,-0.033167,-0.008282,-0.015736,0.031367,0.025323,-0.016286,-0.007823,0.007171,-0.005194,0.005782,0.00963,-0.008984,-0.011747,-0.000246,-0.014821,-0.001437
Medieval_Lad:PCA0185,0.134311,0.116786,0.080327,0.078812,0.036007,0.024542,0.00705,0.02123,0.008181,-0.032256,0.009094,-0.003147,0.004014,0.019405,-0.008822,0.001458,0.00339,-0.004561,0.008925,0.003752,-0.000125,-0.010634,0.012571,0.001446,0.014609
Medieval_Lad:PCA0187,0.136588,0.129988,0.064865,0.06137,0.049855,0.01757,0.012926,0.009923,0.010022,-0.013303,-0.01023,-0.007044,0.007284,0.026699,-0.009908,-0.00305,0.001825,0.005194,0.005782,-0.01063,0.001622,-0.013849,-0.000493,-0.000602,0.015567
Medieval_Lad:PCA0189,0.129758,0.127957,0.062225,0.077843,0.035699,0.03012,0.015981,0.020307,0.006749,-0.039363,-0.007307,-0.017534,0.005649,0.031103,-0.010993,0.005304,0.01017,-0.006334,0.012444,0.005503,-0.001248,0.002968,-0.000616,-0.005663,0.000838
Medieval_Lad:PCA0191,0.1161,0.136081,0.064111,0.048127,0.033852,0.022032,0.010105,0,0.001841,-0.020593,-0.005196,-0.019183,0.003568,0.025185,-0.005565,0.01074,-0.00013,-0.002154,0.001006,0.008004,0.006364,-0.019908,0.004067,-0.000843,-0.014011
Medieval_Lad:PCA0192,0.138864,0.123895,0.07203,0.057817,0.025851,0.019522,0.006815,0.019845,-0.008385,-0.019135,-0.006658,-0.003897,0.010555,0.023533,-0.020494,0.004773,0.022296,-0.0019,-0.010433,0.00963,0.004991,-0.010881,0.006162,-0.002289,-0.001197
Medieval_Lad:PCA0194,0.134311,0.11577,0.07995,0.070091,0.048932,0.027889,0.00564,0.003692,0.00859,-0.028429,-0.01153,-0.010341,0.016501,0.02835,-0.006786,0.004375,0.001565,0.003674,0.011187,-5e-04,-0.011605,-0.002597,0.008751,-0.009399,-0.002874
Medieval_Lad:PCA0197,0.124067,0.13405,0.074293,0.068153,0.042777,0.016733,0.017156,0.018461,0.000409,-0.031162,0.001949,-0.015436,0.015758,0.018441,-0.010993,0.00358,0.000782,0.001014,0.002388,-0.006628,0.006613,-0.000989,0.006162,-0.003615,0.010179
Medieval_Lad:PCA0198,0.127482,0.139128,0.06675,0.071706,0.040315,0.017012,0.012926,0.009461,-0.002454,-0.030798,0.001461,-0.006594,0.016055,0.007156,-0.009636,0.004773,-0.001434,0.003041,0.001885,0.003627,-0.014849,-0.009027,0.007025,-0.003615,0.004311
Medieval_Lad:PCA0199,0.129758,0.129988,0.076933,0.081073,0.059703,0.02259,0.001175,0.008538,0.007158,-0.021504,0.004384,-0.001948,0.013379,0.016102,-0.013165,0.001591,0.013951,-0.008615,0.005028,0.009505,0,-0.008656,0.007765,-0.011809,-0.000958
Medieval_Lad:PCA0203,0.129758,0.126941,0.070144,0.070414,0.033852,0.029562,0.00094,0.016153,0.00225,-0.022597,0.005846,-0.018284,0.014271,0.009496,-0.017236,0.009016,0.018384,-0.001647,-0.001885,0.006003,-0.003619,-0.008656,0.016022,0.003494,0.006586
Medieval_Lad:PCA0205,0.125205,0.129988,0.072784,0.04522,0.01508,0.009761,0.017156,0.011769,-0.005318,-0.028976,-0.001624,-0.013788,0.015015,-0.000688,0.007057,-0.003315,-0.004955,0.002787,-0.000628,0.008379,-0.00287,0.014096,0.021938,0.010483,-0.016046
Medieval_Lad:PCA0206,0.122929,0.122879,0.080327,0.070414,0.053548,0.017849,0.0047,0.003692,-0.00634,-0.034078,0.003248,-0.015137,0.013677,0.014863,-0.0057,0.015115,0.013299,0.005828,-0.005279,0.005002,-0.010232,0.001484,0.006902,-0.020846,0.018441
Medieval_Lad:PCA0211,0.130897,0.11577,0.077687,0.069445,0.051394,0.031794,0.002585,0.032076,-0.008999,-0.025878,-0.009581,-0.008243,0.017393,0.023671,-0.020765,-0.00053,0.015516,-0.012289,0.017221,-0.003126,-0.007612,-0.018424,0.016145,-0.006386,0.006466
Medieval_Oblaczkowo:PCA0216,0.127482,0.131003,0.07731,0.082365,0.050471,0.022869,0.015746,0.00923,-0.005522,-0.022597,-0.006983,-0.005845,0.018434,0.047755,0.012079,-0.003978,-0.01004,0.006714,0.001508,0.000875,-0.003868,-0.004946,0.01861,-0.016147,0.002515
Medieval_Oblaczkowo:PCA0225,0.121791,0.119832,0.076933,0.066538,0.041238,0.016176,0.014806,0.024691,-0.009204,-0.037723,0.001624,-0.012739,0.04222,0.021882,-0.009772,-0.00053,0.008475,0.004561,0.006034,-0.01138,-0.004866,-0.01793,-0.004067,0.006145,0.006945
Medieval_Rumin:PCA0244,0.126344,0.113739,0.084852,0.074613,0.032929,0.026495,0.004935,0.019845,0.011453,-0.028064,-0.000162,-0.016485,0.015015,0.03124,0.003664,0.009016,0.002608,0.002407,-0.000251,-0.003627,-0.009608,-0.004451,0.013804,-0.008194,0.00455
Medieval_Rumin:PCA0246,0.127482,0.113739,0.089755,0.061693,0.051086,0.036256,0.00047,0.016845,0.008999,-0.02278,0.012179,-0.013638,0.030178,0.018029,-0.0095,-0.012331,-0.014212,-0.001774,0.001634,0.003001,-0.002121,-0.006677,0.002342,-0.016147,0.005748
Medieval_Ostrow_Lednicki:PCA0332,0.129758,0.119832,0.07467,0.046189,0.040931,0.020917,0.00846,0.017999,-0.007976,-0.01713,-0.01023,-0.013188,0.010109,0.021194,-0.019951,-0.000796,0.010952,0.000127,0.011439,0.000875,-0.013351,0.002102,-0.000246,-0.003615,-0.006945
Medieval_Ostrow_Lednicki:PCA0333,0.124067,0.125926,0.09428,0.08075,0.044316,0.034582,0.018566,0.006,-0.001023,-0.035536,-0.004709,-0.008542,0.030029,0.024497,-0.014929,0.004508,0.03064,-0.00228,-0.001383,0.011756,0.009109,-0.008285,0.004314,-0.007109,0.006826
Medieval_Ostrow_Lednicki:PCA0334,0.119514,0.131003,0.085984,0.068799,0.049855,0.030399,0.000705,0.005307,0.003272,-0.025878,-0.011692,-0.010491,-0.000149,0.017478,-0.001493,0.042031,0.025425,0.005701,0.007165,0.007754,-0.005989,0.00136,0.005423,-0.008073,-0.017483
Medieval_Ostrow_Lednicki:PCA0335,0.132035,0.12491,0.065242,0.052003,0.038776,0.03012,0.012456,0.019153,-0.011862,-0.02442,-0.00341,-0.017834,0.026313,0.015138,-0.015065,0.010607,-0.011474,-0.005828,-0.000126,0.002751,0.004243,-0.00643,0.019103,-0.015785,-0.001557
Medieval_Ostrow_Lednicki:PCA0339,0.121791,0.118817,0.060716,0.066215,0.04924,0.016455,0.012221,0.009461,0.001023,-0.023144,-0.005196,-0.002398,0.008771,0.014588,-0.007872,-0.010209,-0.012908,-0.004941,0.006913,-0.007879,0.001622,-0.005812,0.012571,0.008314,0.003832
Medieval_Ostrow_Lednicki:PCA0340,0.133173,0.118817,0.087492,0.070737,0.039084,0.027889,0.012926,0.009692,-0.001432,-0.028429,-0.00341,-0.011989,0.023042,0.026286,-0.008686,-0.000398,0.004955,-0.006968,0.002388,0.010505,0.001373,-0.01286,0.002095,-0.012652,0.005269
Medieval_Ostrow_Lednicki:PCA0343,0.133173,0.123895,0.073161,0.076551,0.044008,0.019243,0.007285,0.01823,-0.0045,-0.019317,0.005359,-0.002398,0.018731,0.027387,-0.016694,0.003182,-0.004303,0.003801,0.002514,-0.003377,-0.014974,-0.004699,0.013804,-0.004579,0.007305
Medieval_Ostrow_Lednicki:PCA0344,0.134311,0.121864,0.07467,0.065892,0.033852,0.021753,0.00705,0.017307,-0.009817,-0.034807,0.005359,-0.005245,0.019772,0.015827,-0.014251,0.003978,0.024903,-0.007981,-0.005154,-0.004127,-0.010731,0.006801,0.001849,-0.003735,-0.002754
Medieval_Dziekanowice:PCA0354,0.124067,0.127957,0.084475,0.074936,0.040623,0.023148,0.011986,0.01223,-0.003886,-0.0277,-0.001461,-0.01094,0.023191,0.025323,-0.012893,-0.001458,0.010822,-0.003421,0.001257,-0.003377,-0.004617,-0.008656,0.007395,-0.011327,-0.003233
Medieval_Dziekanowice:PCA0359,0.140002,0.119832,0.073539,0.075259,0.056318,0.027052,0.00564,0.014076,-0.003477,-0.034078,-0.008119,-0.003897,0.006392,0.02546,-0.002986,0.003845,0.01356,-0.002534,0.01169,0.003252,-0.000125,0.008656,-0.00456,-0.005904,0.002275
Medieval_Santok:PCA0376,0.132035,0.127957,0.07467,0.073967,0.049548,0.020359,0.00047,-0.00923,-0.007363,-0.01877,0.001786,-0.028325,0.01219,0.018717,0.001357,0.003713,0.008475,-0.006588,0.005531,0.003502,-0.029323,-0.005688,-0.004437,0.00735,0.034847
Medieval_Santok:PCA0399,0.132035,0.128972,0.07731,0.077843,0.035083,0.036535,0.008225,0.014538,0.003477,-0.030069,-0.003573,-0.000749,0.022596,0.026836,-0.012215,-0.006497,-0.008214,-0.007601,0.000503,-0.012381,0.004492,0.003339,0.011462,-0.001807,-0.016645
Medieval_Santok:PCA0426,0.129758,0.108662,0.074293,0.056525,0.038776,0.021753,0.01034,-0.007846,0.004909,-0.018953,-0.012829,-0.002098,0.021258,0.019542,-0.000407,0.012066,-0.01369,0.004181,0.006285,-0.015257,-0.003619,-0.005688,0.011216,0.00494,0.002874
Medieval_Poznan:PCA0549,0.1161,0.123895,0.069767,0.063954,0.029852,0.022869,0.013161,0.017768,-0.005113,-0.022233,0.002761,-0.008692,0.022299,0.013625,-0.007329,-0.007823,-0.012647,-0.003294,-0.003645,0.002626,0,-0.015086,0.006532,0.00723,0.00934
Medieval_Balczewo:PCA0551,0.127482,0.123895,0.069013,0.075259,0.054779,0.022032,0.001175,0.002308,-0.001023,-0.018224,-0.003735,-0.000899,0.017393,0.021882,-0.0076,-0.006232,-0.005607,0.003294,-0.00088,-0.010505,-0.004118,0.000247,0.027484,-0.022172,-0.018202

[Peterski]

So there is no sense in using modern Ukrainians when modelling modern Wielkopolska, if you can do this using Early Medieval Wielkopolska.

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For comparison, Early Medieval Mazovia (n=5):

Early_Medieval_Mazovia,0.1304412,0.122676,0.0814582,0.0698972,0.0388994,0.0303434,0.0071444,0.0135226,-0.0048268,-0.0256224,-0.0031502,-0.0123788,0.0191178,0.0305796,-0.0119434,0.003633,0.0110564,0.00038,0.0003268,-0.0016756,-0.0075868,-0.0065536,0.0064582,-0.0082178,-0.0045024

High coverage samples used:

Medieval_Plonsk:PCA0314,0.134311,0.116786,0.093526,0.0646,0.027697,0.021475,0.003525,-0.001615,0.00634,-0.020228,0.010718,-0.020082,0.025272,0.027249,-0.010858,0.001591,-0.001825,0.007601,-0.007542,-0.012131,-0.008111,0.003091,0.01479,-0.014701,-0.005628
Medieval_Plonsk:PCA0317,0.12862,0.129988,0.083344,0.066215,0.041546,0.032072,0.00188,0.016615,-0.011453,-0.018953,-0.011692,-0.005245,0.017393,0.036057,-0.012215,-0.005171,0.001173,-0.001394,-0.004022,0.007754,-0.004617,-0.001978,0.00037,0.000241,-0.01413
Medieval_Plonsk:PCA0319,0.130897,0.131003,0.078818,0.078166,0.040623,0.034304,0.00376,0.016845,-0.006954,-0.024055,-0.008444,-0.013188,0.016353,0.026974,-0.003529,0.008486,0.017732,-0.003547,0.009679,-0.003001,-0.010856,-0.015951,-0.002835,-0.014339,0.000599
Medieval_Plonsk:PCA0324,0.129758,0.1046,0.090132,0.078812,0.052933,0.032909,0.013161,0.03023,-0.005931,-0.039727,-0.00341,-0.007493,0.024975,0.027662,-0.00855,0.008486,0.021774,0.005574,-0.004777,-0.005002,-0.006738,-0.006925,0.019966,-0.009519,0.000239
Medieval_Plonsk:PCA0328,0.12862,0.131003,0.061471,0.061693,0.031698,0.030957,0.013396,0.005538,-0.006136,-0.025149,-0.002923,-0.015886,0.011596,0.034956,-0.024565,0.004773,0.016428,-0.006334,0.008296,0.004002,-0.007612,-0.011005,0,-0.002771,-0.003592

[Abriekman]

I don't know if you follow Anthrogenica, but there are new Polish Early Medieval samples there, including many from Wielkopolska:

It's nice that new Slavic samples appeared but they are too northern, similar to Balts/Belarusians. Modern North Slavs have something that pulls them south, don't know what is it, though.

[ugochaves]

Here you can see my new PCA

michal3141 is the same German, and previously pretended to be a Balto-Slav

[ugochaves]

Here you can see my new PCA

Can you connect Polish and Russian coordinates on the map?

[Jana]

It's nice that new Slavic samples appeared but they are too northern, similar to Balts/Belarusians.

I think now it's rather clear proto Slavs were somewhere in Belarusian/south Lithuanian cline, as Lucas wrote many months ago.

[Peterski]

It's nice that new Slavic samples appeared but they are too northern, similar to Balts/Belarusians. Modern North Slavs have something that pulls them south, don't know what is it, though.

Too northern for what? They are real Early Medieval Wielkopolans. That's how Wielkopolans looked like in the Early Middle Ages.

Maybe Wielkopolans were pulled south by Southern German settlers during the Ostsiedlung? Or by what else in your opinion?

[ugochaves]

I think now it's rather clear proto Slavs were somewhere in Belarusian/south Lithuanian cline, as Lucas wrote many months ago.

You should pay attention to the central Russians. This is the east of Europe and almost 0% of Finno-Ugrians. Who are they?