Pannonian Cumans on G25

**axlredneck** · 09-04-2023, 10:53 AM

While the Hungarian tribes moved into Hungary, the Cumans still inhabited the vast areas of the Pontic–Caspian steppe, where they had created a powerful nomadic confederacy. The 13th-century Gesta Hungarorum claims that Cumans were present in the Principality of Hungary ca. 900, describing the Aba tribesmen as Cumans.

**axlredneck** · 09-04-2023, 10:55 AM

NKper2, Cuman

Y-DNA: R-Y147335 / R-Y147340
mtDNA: C4-a3a
Period: Principality of Hungary
Age: 900 - 1000 CE
Region: Nagykőrös, Hungary

Code:

HUN_Conqueror_elite:NK2,0.07057,-0.19092,0.065996,-0.01292,-0.048932,-0.00753,0.018096,0.018692,-0.005113,-0.003827,-0.01835,-0.002698,-0.000743,-0.000826,0.005022,0.001591,0.000391,0.000253,-0.007542,-0.00025,-0.008235,-0.012489,-0.010476,-0.006868,-0.009101

**axlredneck** · 09-04-2023, 10:56 AM

K1per3286, Cuman

Y-DNA: R-Y14509 / R-PRX9
mtDNA: H3am
Period: Principality of Hungary
Age: 895 - 950 CE
Region: Karos, Hungary

Code:

HUN_Conqueror_elite:K13286,0.068294,-0.192951,0.054682,-0.010982,-0.037545,-0.019243,0.011281,0.008538,-0.011658,-0.00164,-0.015914,-0.004796,0.001487,-0.009909,-0.002172,0.003447,0.009648,0.003167,-0.003897,0.009505,-0.011105,0.002473,-0.000986,0.002771,0.001676

**axlredneck** · 09-04-2023, 11:03 AM

K2per61, Cuman + Magyar

Y-DNA: R-Y14509 / R-PRX9
mtDNA: U4d2e
Period: Principality of Hungary
Age: 895 - 950 CE
Region: Karos, Hungary

**axlredneck** · 09-04-2023, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by axlredneck

K2per61, Cuman + Magyar

Code:

HUN_Conqueror_elite:K261,0.067156,-0.160454,0.071653,0.026486,-0.051086,-0.013387,0.012456,0.007384,-0.008999,-0.01221,0.007632,-0.004496,0.001189,-0.026561,0.001221,-0.01074,-0.005867,-0.000127,0.000503,-0.002501,-0.001622,0.006306,-0.00037,-0.004458,0.000838
Cuman,0.0715497,-0.1914873,0.0559366,0.0075644,-0.0412843,-0.0126619,0.0103699,0.0099816,-0.0065738,-0.0011669,-0.0110278,0.0012518,-0.0064357,-0.002615,0.0106448,-0.0048602,-0.0076278,0.0016897,0.0034098,0.005972,0.0030049,-0.0047128,-0.0054303,-0.0065954,0.0032054
Ugric,0.0870747,-0.1652267,0.1100061,0.0617576,-0.0731829,-0.021084,0.0080607,0.0149301,0.001043,-0.0346065,0.0506652,-0.0041213,0.0211841,-0.0705318,-0.0246334,-0.0127417,-0.0009257,-0.0004433,-0.0067247,-0.012781,-0.0024956,0.0233827,0.0150733,-0.0027112,-0.0073646
Bulgar,0.0901031,-0.0761796,0.0473007,0.0256367,-0.0378287,-0.0032599,0.0034884,0.0032268,-0.0141765,-0.0164131,-0.0050452,0.0006254,-0.001584,-0.0174378,0.0085131,0.0006616,-0.0033171,-0.0000665,0.0006416,0.0047729,-0.0097415,0.0001463,-0.0033737,0.0013826,-0.0013235
Noise,-12.44767532,6.606885849,-3.370168948,-3.59812985,1.655142075,1.236853519,3.820298164,-3.594007426,-4.330119514,3.367918549,-5.172234764,-3.658708808,-3.318003413,3.305118191,4.047354142,-3.627204234,-1.292250731,-0.797743268,1.232937853,-1.303518489,-0.973408148,-0.101017336,-2.870551705,-0.3191362,2.155097955
Magyar,0.087833317,-0.142920312,0.094298335,0.052709278,-0.064326637,-0.016619045,0.006915334,0.011998412,-0.0027695,-0.030049035,0.036709689,-0.002932247,0.015480668,-0.0572317,-0.016330169,-0.00938416,-0.001524748,-0.000348911,-0.004879435,-0.00838373,-0.004310705,0.017561959,0.010452308,-0.001685699,-0.005851299

**axlredneck** · 09-04-2023, 11:09 AM

Code:

Cuman_Pannonia_avg,0.0701379,-0.1917861,0.0588715,-0.0054459,-0.0425871,-0.013145,0.013249,0.0124039,-0.0077816,-0.0022113,-0.0150973,-0.0020807,-0.0018972,-0.00445,0.0044983,0.0000593,0.0008037,0.0017032,-0.0026764,0.0050757,-0.005445,-0.0049096,-0.0056308,-0.0035641,-0.0014065

Demirkazık · 09-04-2023, 02:31 PM

Couldn't they be Pechenegs instead of Cumans and what is your thoughts on the Medieval Ploiești sample ?

Target: Demirkazık_scaled
Distance: 3.2355% / 0.03235486
50.2 Anatolian
16.8 Georgian
10.0 Cuman
10.0 Magyar
9.2 Bulgar
3.6 Ugric
0.2 Noise

**axlredneck** · 09-05-2023, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Demirkazık

Couldn't they be Pechenegs instead of Cumans and what is your thoughts on the Medieval Ploiești sample ?

That's certainly plausible! Ploiești_MA is most likely a Pecheneg.

**axlredneck** · 09-05-2023, 11:23 AM

Samuel Aba reigned as King of Hungary between 1041 and 1044. He was born to a prominent family with extensive domains in the region of the Mátra Hills.

According to the anonymous author of the Gesta Hungarorum, Samuel's family descended from two "Cuman" chieftains, Ed and Edemen, who received "a great land in the forest of Mátra" from Árpád, Grand Prince of the Hungarians around 900.

**Max18** · 09-05-2023, 03:38 PM

Great job on this thread as well as the previous ones! I would like to share my results based on your sources: Slavic, Finnic, Ugric, Early Bulgar (from Danubian Bulgar thread), Caucasus, Balkan, Cuman. I'm half russian with german ancestry and half volga tatar. My Y-DNA is J2-M92.
Target: Max_scaled
Distance: 2.7895% / 0.02789530
68.0 Slavic
20.8 Bulgar
11.2 Balkan