Pannonian Cumans on G25

[Max18]

Awesome work! Very interesting results and as I understand a bit atypical for my dad. Very high percentage of Balkans. Although, interestingly enough, he always reminded others of a representative of finnish ethnicities: tall height (194 cm), very light skin, light brown hair, gray-green eyes.

Here's a description of my father's appearance. You can see my phenotype in my avatar.

[Max18]

Thanks, that's interesting. 8% on average is not a lot for that kind of ethnic background, I guess your mother is close to zero East Eurasian/Mongoloid and some Tatars are below 20% without any recent Russian admixture. I believe Mishars are like 15-17% or so. You must be nearly indistinguishable from full ethnic Russians in terms of looks.

Comparing in FTDNA my results and the results of other people with Tatar ancestry I noticed that I have a very low Middle Eastern result, which reaches in Tatars (or people of mixed ancestry) 5-10%+, in return, I have a relatively elevated level of Eastern Slavs (Western Slavs are, as I understand it, a proxy for my German roots, which is supposed to reach 12-12.5%)




I realize that FTDNA is not perfect to say the least, but of all the commercial dna tests available, it is the most accurate (based on tests among my family members).

[Leto]

Comparing in FTDNA my results and the results of other people with Tatar ancestry I noticed that I have a very low Middle Eastern result, which reaches in Tatars (or people of mixed ancestry) 5-10%+, in return, I have a relatively elevated level of Eastern Slavs (Western Slavs are, as I understand it, a proxy for my German roots, which is supposed to reach 12-12.5%)




I realize that FTDNA is not perfect to say the least, but of all the commercial dna tests available, it is the most accurate (based on tests among my family members).

I manage the account of someone I know, his father is a Southern Russian/Kuban Cossack from Krasnodar krai and his mother is a Tatar from Sterlitamak, Bashkiria. Here are his FTDNA results:

East Slavic 83%
Baltic 8%
Mongolia 5%
Western Siberian Plains <1%
Northern Caucasus <4%

His Dodecad K12b results, which used to be one of the main calculators for me:

Gedrosia 5.27 Pct
Siberian 8.07 Pct
Northwest_African -    
Southeast_Asian -    
Atlantic_Med 17.76 Pct
North_European 50.24 Pct
South_Asian 0.44 Pct
East_African 0.24 Pct
Southwest_Asian -    
East_Asian 3.75 Pct
Caucasus 14.18 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

About 12% East Eurasian.

[Max18]

I manage the account of someone I know, his father is a Southern Russian/Kuban Cossack from Krasnodar krai and his mother is a Tatar from Sterlitamak, Bashkiria. Here are his FTDNA results:

East Slavic 83%
Baltic 8%
Mongolia 5%
Western Siberian Plains <1%
Northern Caucasus <4%

His Dodecad K12b results, which used to be one of the main calculators for me:

Gedrosia 5.27 Pct
Siberian 8.07 Pct
Northwest_African -    
Southeast_Asian -    
Atlantic_Med 17.76 Pct
North_European 50.24 Pct
South_Asian 0.44 Pct
East_African 0.24 Pct
Southwest_Asian -    
East_Asian 3.75 Pct
Caucasus 14.18 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

About 12% East Eurasian.

Remembered my Gedmatch password pretty quickly, oddly enough

Gedrosia 8.41 Pct
Siberian 6.73 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 20.46 Pct
North_European 46.86 Pct
South_Asian 1.82 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.88 Pct
East_Asian 2.15 Pct
Caucasus 11.66 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

8,88% East Eurasian

[Leto]

Remembered my Gedmatch password pretty quickly, oddly enough

Gedrosia 8.41 Pct
Siberian 6.73 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 20.46 Pct
North_European 46.86 Pct
South_Asian 1.82 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.88 Pct
East_Asian 2.15 Pct
Caucasus 11.66 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

8,88% East Eurasian

Most half-Tatars will have a lower East Eurasian percentage than you do. My mom is a full Russian and she's about 8-9% EE, Perm/Yekaterinburg Russians can easily score 10-13%. But your North European is significantly lower than any of the Russian averages.

Here are the results from my updated K12b oracle, it used to be a big thing for me back in the day:

Distance to: Max18
1.92818064 38.60% Besermyan_Udmurtia + 61.40% Slovak
2.30046995 70.00% Finnish_West + 30.00% Turk_Southwest
2.30966378 68.60% Finnish_West + 31.40% Turk_Northwest
2.36705081 66.40% Hungarian_North + 33.60% Udmurt
2.47479863 38.60% Bashkir_North + 61.40% Slovak
2.48984336 38.60% Besermyan_Udmurtia + 61.40% Hungarian_North
2.51023361 72.40% Finnish_West + 27.60% Turk_Central_Black_Sea
2.51554840 52.80% Slovak + 47.20% Tatar_Kazan
2.54285422 33.20% Czech + 66.80% Tatar_Mishar
2.55203535 36.80% Slovak + 63.20% Tatar_Mishar
2.57398433 36.60% Hungarian_North + 63.40% Tatar_Mishar
2.61510055 42.20% Besermyan_Udmurtia + 57.80% Czech
2.61962537 71.80% Finnish_West + 28.20% Turk_South
2.65834311 35.60% Hungarian_Alföld + 64.40% Tatar_Mishar
2.70898046 70.20% Finnish_West + 29.80% Turk_West_Black_Sea
2.73091572 71.40% Finnish_West + 28.60% Turk_Central_West
2.74332121 33.80% Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest + 66.20% Tatar_Mishar
2.74652613 34.80% Hungarian + 65.20% Tatar_Mishar
2.77054960 29.00% German + 71.00% Tatar_Mishar
2.77755902 53.80% Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest + 46.20% Komi

Slovak is kind of a proxy for 75% Russian, 25% German.

[Max18]

Most half-Tatars will have a lower East Eurasian percentage than you do. My mom is a full Russian and she's about 8-9% EE, Perm/Yekaterinburg Russians can easily score 10-13%. But your North European is significantly lower than any of the Russian averages.

Here are the results from my updated K12b oracle, it used to be a big thing for me back in the day:

Distance to: Max18 1.92818064 38.60% Besermyan_Udmurtia + 61.40% Slovak 2.30046995 70.00% Finnish_West + 30.00% Turk_Southwest 2.30966378 68.60% Finnish_West + 31.40% Turk_Northwest 2.36705081 66.40% Hungarian_North + 33.60% Udmurt 2.47479863 38.60% Bashkir_North + 61.40% Slovak 2.48984336 38.60% Besermyan_Udmurtia + 61.40% Hungarian_North 2.51023361 72.40% Finnish_West + 27.60% Turk_Central_Black_Sea 2.51554840 52.80% Slovak + 47.20% Tatar_Kazan 2.54285422 33.20% Czech + 66.80% Tatar_Mishar 2.55203535 36.80% Slovak + 63.20% Tatar_Mishar 2.57398433 36.60% Hungarian_North + 63.40% Tatar_Mishar 2.61510055 42.20% Besermyan_Udmurtia + 57.80% Czech 2.61962537 71.80% Finnish_West + 28.20% Turk_South 2.65834311 35.60% Hungarian_Alföld + 64.40% Tatar_Mishar 2.70898046 70.20% Finnish_West + 29.80% Turk_West_Black_Sea 2.73091572 71.40% Finnish_West + 28.60% Turk_Central_West 2.74332121 33.80% Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest + 66.20% Tatar_Mishar 2.74652613 34.80% Hungarian + 65.20% Tatar_Mishar 2.77054960 29.00% German + 71.00% Tatar_Mishar 2.77755902 53.80% Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest + 46.20% Komi

Slovak is kind of a proxy for 75% Russian, 25% German.

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Thank you! That's interesting, what's the average percentage you think people with similar backgrounds to mine get? Is it +/- 6 percent for example (assuming most half-Tatars have a lower percentage of EE)?

[Max18]

Gedrosia 6.21 Pct
Siberian 2.25 Pct
Northwest_African 1.82 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 24.21 Pct
North_European 52.46 Pct
South_Asian 1.07 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 0.5 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 11.49 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Here are my mom's results (for the purity of the expert).
Perhaps the small admixture of Siberia in pure European populations is, so to speak, an echo of ANE, which in turn is a small part of EHG.

[Leto]

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Thank you! That's interesting, what's the average percentage you think people with similar backgrounds to mine get? Is it +/- 6 percent for example (assuming most half-Tatars have a lower percentage of EE)?

You're welcome. I'm not sure what exactly you mean. Volga Tatars are ca. 20 percent East Eurasian on average, some are as low as 15-16% while others are as high as 23-25%. But then again, many self-identified Tatars may be 25% Russian, Bashkir, Siberian Tatar, Chuvash or Mordovian which will be reflected in their East Eurasian admixture. Ethnic Russians can score from 1 to 13 percent depending on the regional ancestry. The average sits somewhere at 5-6%. So a Russo-Tatar is gonna be 10-15 percent EE most of the time. Obviously I'm excluding people with more than two ethnicities in their bloodline.

[Leto]

Gedrosia 6.21 Pct
Siberian 2.25 Pct
Northwest_African 1.82 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 24.21 Pct
North_European 52.46 Pct
South_Asian 1.07 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 0.5 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 11.49 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Here are my mom's results (for the purity of the expert).
Perhaps the small admixture of Siberia in pure European populations is, so to speak, an echo of ANE, which in turn is a small part of EHG.

Your mom's results are not unusual if she's one quarter German. Germans are zero East Eurasian and if it's the Volga Germans, they moved to Russia from what is now Southwestern Germany, so they would've been close to zero Eastern European/Slavic, pretty much all Celtic-Germanic.

[Max18]

You're welcome. I'm not sure what exactly you mean. Volga Tatars are ca. 20 percent East Eurasian on average, some are as low as 15-16% while others are as high as 23-25%. But then again, many self-identified Tatars may be 25% Russian, Bashkir, Siberian Tatar, Chuvash or Mordovian which will be reflected in their East Eurasian admixture. Ethnic Russians can score from 1 to 13 percent depending on the regional ancestry. The average sits somewhere at 5-6%. So a Russo-Tatar is gonna be 10-15 percent EE most of the time. Obviously I'm excluding people with more than two ethnicities in their bloodline.

we apparently had a misunderstanding: in post #67 you wrote "Most half-Tatars will have a lower East Eurasian percentage than you do." and I took it to mean that I have a higher EE level compared to people with similar backgrounds to mine