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    We have always the same problem, Italic IA and BA are very close to Iberian and many of Balkan samples from same times, and modern Iberians have for real Italic input from Roman times but it´s difficult to pinpoint it through Italic IA and BA samples but more with Imperial ones.

    Also continental Celtic input should be already inside Iberian BA and IA peoples from Iberia.

    But it´s ok, it´s not easy to do a calculator for everybody because each ethnicity should use it´s own calculator made specifically for them. An universal calculator for everybody , and more with ancient references ends up being a "overlapping nightmare".

    I used 0.25X because with no penalization our results are near absurd and very fragmented and doing so seems to be quite consistent.

    Target: gixajo_scaled
    Distance: 1.1857% / 0.01185687 | ADC: 0.25x

    40.0 Iberian
    37.2 Celtic
    16.6 Italic
    5.2 Balkan
    1.0 Germanic

    Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
    Distance: 1.2607% / 0.01260686 | ADC: 0.25x

    45.0 Iberian
    28.4 Celtic
    22.2 Balkan
    3.8 Berber
    0.6 Bantu

    Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
    Distance: 0.9223% / 0.00922291 | ADC: 0.25x

    42.6 Iberian
    30.2 Italic
    22.4 Celtic
    4.4 Germanic
    0.4 Berber

    Target: gixajo_enana_scaled
    Distance: 0.5238% / 0.00523827 | ADC: 0.25x

    41.4 Iberian
    40.0 Celtic
    17.8 Italic
    0.8 Germanic
    Last edited by gixajo; 11-27-2023 at 01:23 PM.


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    That's a lot of French!

    Target: JerryS_scaled
    Distance: 1.0048% / 0.01004767
    15.0 Germanic:LongobardGermanic:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ11
    12.6 Germanic:GermanicMigration: DEU_MA:NW_255
    11.8 Germanic:NLD_MBA_LBA:1250_860_k4c
    10.4 Celtic:6DT18
    8.8 Germanic:GermanicMigration:SVK_Poprad_MAA119
    8.4 Celtic:England_IA:I0156
    7.2 Celtic:Celtic:VeryGaulCeltoLigures_LT:FRA_Occitani e_IA2EY53
    6.6 Germanic:LongobardGermanic:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ15
    5.2 Celtic:CeltoLigures_LT:FRA_Occitanie_IA2EY163
    4.6 Hellenic:GRC_Minoan_Lassithi:I0070
    2.4 Germanic: DEU_Halberstadt_LBA
    2.0 Germanic:GermanicMigration:Migration_LIB:LIB2
    1.6 Baltic:Baltic_EST_BA:s19_X15_2
    1.0 Hellenic:GRC_Minoan_Lassithi:I9005
    1.0 Berber:MAR_EN_tf:taforalt_alike_BC5600_4800_k5c
    0.8 Germanic:LongobardGermanic:ITA_Collegno_MA:CL93
    0.6 Caucasian:RUS_North_Caucasus_MBA

    Removing French references:

    Target: JerryS_scaled
    Distance: 1.0564% / 0.01056382
    19.8 Germanic:NLD_MBA_LBA:1250_860_k4c
    14.8 Germanic:LongobardGermanic:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ11
    11.8 Germanic:GermanicMigration:SVK_Poprad_MAA119
    10.6 Celtic:England_IA:I0156
    7.8 Celtic:6DT18
    5.4 Germanic:GermanicMigration: DEU_MA:NW_255
    4.6 Germanic:LongobardGermanic:ITA_Collegno_MA:CL93
    4.6 Celtic:6DT3
    4.2 Hellenic:GRC_Minoan_Lassithi:I0070
    3.2 Hellenic:GRC_Minoan_Odigitria_low_res:I9130
    3.0 Italic: ProtoItalic:ITA_Broion_BA:BRC003
    2.8 Germanic: DEU_Halberstadt_LBA
    2.4 Germanic:LongobardGermanic:ITA_Collegno_MA:CL146
    2.0 Germanic:LongobardGermanic:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ15
    1.0 Baltic:Baltic_EST_BA:s19_X15_2
    1.0 Berber:MAR_EN_tf:taforalt_alike_BC5600_4800_k5c
    0.6 Hellenic:GRC_Minoan_Lassithi:I9005
    0.4 Slavic:Sorb

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    Target: G25noricum_scaled
    Distance: 1.1569% / 0.01156929
    36.6 Celtic
    21.0 Slavic
    12.8 Baltic
    11.6 Germanic
    10.4 Balkan
    6.6 Italic
    1.0 Iranic



    Distance to: G25noricum_scaled
    0.02765643 Celtic:Celtic:Celt_HLT:HUN_LaTene_IA:I20774
    0.03256589 Germanic:Viking_nordic_Mix_Slavic
    0.04006073 Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad
    0.04042076 Germanic:Medieval_Frank
    0.04081303 Celtic:Celtic_Hallsttat
    0.04296864 GermanicEU_MA
    0.04296864 Germanic:Frisian
    0.04341445 Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav
    0.04392224 Celtic:Belgae_Champagne
    0.04406824 Celtic:France_GrandEst_IA2
    0.04408156 Celtic:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:BC1050_k20c
    0.04442437 Slavic:Sorb
    0.04498348 Celtic:Celtic_Briton
    0.04580652 Germanic:SWE_IA
    0.04582772 Slavic:RUS_Gnezdovo_VA
    0.04591672 Slavic:Ukrainian
    0.04608242 Germanic:LongobardGermanic:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ42
    0.04656467 Germanic:GermanicMigrationEU_MA:ALH_10
    0.04690127 Celtic:CZE_MBA_Tumulus:BC1375_k4c
    0.04733328 Celtic:Gallic_Alsace
    0.04804153 Celtic:3DT16
    0.04882498 Slavic:UKR_Lutsk_MA
    0.04892614 Germanic:LongobardGermanic:ITA_Collegno_MA:CL92
    0.04896893 Germanic:Longobard
    0.04898831 Celtic:6DT22

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    The LaTene Celt from Hungary is one of theses Hungarian Basin samples that turns out quite "Slavic" although predating the historic expansion of Slavs in this area.

    Target: Celtic:Celtic:Celt_HLT:HUN_LaTene_IA:I20774
    Distance: 1.9055% / 0.01905505
    45.0 Polish_Kashubian
    25.8 Basque_French
    9.8 French_Seine-Maritime
    8.6 Orcadian
    4.8 Lithuanian_PZ
    1.8 Lithuanian
    1.6 Brahmin_Telugu_Niyogi
    1.6 German_East
    1.0 Georgian_Mtiuleti

    Distance to: Celtic:Celtic:Celt_HLT:HUN_LaTene_IA:I20774

    0.02318749 German_East
    0.02931709 German_Hamburg
    0.03189232 German_Erlangen
    0.03229837 German
    0.03246794 Czech
    0.03308110 Croat_North
    0.03386615 Slovenian
    0.03695111 BelgianA
    0.03708727 Austrian
    0.03734172 Hungarian
    0.03777203 Orcadian
    0.03820353 Danish
    0.03915820 Dutch
    0.03943700 Swedish
    0.03954848 English
    0.03959654 Welsh
    0.03977677 French_Seine-Maritime
    0.04043633 English_Cornwall
    0.04049214 Scottish
    0.04056438 Icelandic
    0.04143179 Norwegian
    0.04205993 Ukrainian_Lviv
    0.04311759 French_Brittany
    0.04357837 Afrikaner
    0.04362469 Shetlandic

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    Target: cass
    Distance: 0.4654% / 0.00465437
    28.4 Celtic
    23.6 Germanic
    20.8 Baltic
    19.4 Slavic
    5.2 Hellenic
    1.4 Anatolian
    0.8 Iberian
    0.2 Han
    0.2 Italic


    Target: cass
    Distance: 0.6726% / 0.00672619 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    59.6 Slavic
    21.6 Celtic
    18.8 Germanic

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    Distance to: scaled
    0.01503668 Celtic:England_IA
    0.02062691 GermanicEU_MA
    0.02063517 Germanic:Frisian
    0.02084308 Celtic:Scotland_EIA
    0.02084308 Celtic:England_IA
    0.02108692 Germanic:Longobards_average
    0.02280345 Celtic:Scotland_LBA
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    0.02570759 Germanic:LongobardGermanic:ITA_Collegno_MA:CL146
    0.02572463 Germanic:LongobardGermanic:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ16
    0.02579078 Celtic:England_IA:I0156
    0.02709954 Germanic:LongobardGermanic:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ11
    0.02776662 Germanic:LongobardGermanic:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ13
    0.02848272 Germanic:GermanicMigrationEU_MA:ALH_1
    0.02855261 Germanic:LongobardGermanic:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ42
    0.02857108 Celtic:6DT22
    0.02924064 Germanic:LongobardGermanic:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ22
    0.02938017 Celtic:Belgae_Champagne
    0.02947508 Celtic:England_IA:I0160
    0.02967070 Celtic:France_GrandEst_IA2
    0.02982176 Celtic:6DT21

    Target: scaled
    Distance: 0.5340% / 0.00534043
    63.0 Germanic
    35.4 Celtic
    0.8 Baltic
    0.4 Italic
    0.2 Berber
    0.2 Turkic
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    Distance to: #Oda#_scaled
    0.01783702 Germanic:LongobardGermanic:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ11
    0.02053595 Celtic:England_IA
    0.02115020 Germanic:Nordic_EBA:SWE_BC2700_1750_k5c
    0.02147628 Germanic:Germany_EMedieval_Alemanic
    0.02300723 GermanicEU_Halberstadt_LBA
    0.02419340 Germanic:GermanicMigrationEU_MA_ACD:STR_355

    Target: #Oda#_scaled
    Distance: 0.6138% / 0.00613762
    73.6 Germanic
    10.4 Celtic
    6.6 Slavic
    5.0 Baltic
    4.4 Hellenic

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    Quote Originally Posted by cass View Post
    Target: cass
    Distance: 0.4654% / 0.00465437
    28.4 Celtic
    23.6 Germanic
    20.8 Baltic
    19.4 Slavic
    5.2 Hellenic
    1.4 Anatolian
    0.8 Iberian
    0.2 Han
    0.2 Italic


    Target: cass
    Distance: 0.6726% / 0.00672619 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    59.6 Slavic
    21.6 Celtic
    18.8 Germanic
    That's a lot of Celtic for a Pole, isn't it? I would have thought I ought to have more.

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    Target:
    Distance: 0.8404% / 0.00840378
    30.6 Germanic
    27.2 Celtic
    14.0 Slavic
    13.0 Baltic
    8.8 Balkan
    2.6 Iranic
    2.2 Semitic
    0.8 Turkic
    0.4 Anatolian
    0.4 Iberian

    Target:
    Distance: 0.9724% / 0.00972388 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    41.4 Germanic
    34.4 Slavic
    14.4 Celtic
    3.0 Balkan
    2.8 Iranic
    2.6 Hellenic
    1.4 Turkic

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    Target: CR_simulated_g25_scaled
    Distance: 0.3844% / 0.00384370 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    32.2 Iberian:CelticIberian
    16.4 Italic:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
    8.2 Germanic:Viking_nordic_Mix_Slavic
    8.2 Germanic:GermanicMigration:SVK_Poprad_MAA119
    8.0 Germanic:Medieval_Frank
    5.4 Celtic:Belgae_Hauts_De_France
    4.6 Italic:ITA_ReginaMargherita_BA:GCP003A1
    4.4 Iberian:Iberia_IA:Iberia_East_IA:I3327
    4.0 Germanic:GermanicMigrationEU_MA_Alemanic_Lombardian:NIEcap6
    3.0 Italic:ITA_Etruscan:RMPR474b
    2.8 Germanic:LongobardGermanic:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ15
    1.4 Germanic:GermanicMigrationEU_MA_ACD:STR_355
    1.4 Semitic:Levant_SYR_Tell_Masaikh




    Target: CR_simulated_g25_scaled
    Distance: 0.3843% / 0.00384265 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    36.8 Iberian
    32.6 Germanic
    23.6 Italic
    5.6 Celtic
    1.4 Semitic



    Target: CR_simulated_g25_scaled
    Distance: 0.0054% / 0.00005432
    31.8 Germanic
    28.4 Celtic
    15.2 Iberian
    6.4 Nuragic
    6.0 Italic
    3.2 Hellenic
    2.8 Semitic
    2.2 Anatolian
    2.2 Berber
    1.6 Balkan
    0.2 Iranic



    Distance to: CR_simulated_g25_scaled
    0.01881986 Celtic:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116
    0.02233554 Balkan:HRV_Bezdanjaca_BA:BC1150_k16c
    0.02408617 CelticEU_Lech_EBA:BC2100_1650_k17c
    0.02438777 Balkan:HRV_Bezdanjaca_BA:BC1500_k7c
    0.02450039 Celtic:Celts
    0.02469753 Italic:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
    0.02478868 Celtic:FRA_SouthEast_EBA:BC2100_B_k4c
    0.02681972 Iberian:CelticIberian
    0.02795734 Iberian:Indigetes
    0.03011883 Balkan:HRV_MBA
    0.03195508 Italic:ITA_ReginaMargherita_BA:k2
    0.03198117 Celtic:CZE_MBA_Tumulus:BC1375_k4c
    0.03203201 Balkan:Istria_HRV_MBA:BC1375_k3c
    0.03203201 Balkan:Istria_HRV_MBA:BC1375_k3c
    0.03225324 Celtic:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:BC1050_k20c
    0.03227110 ItalicEU_Roman
    0.03314627 Germanic:Medieval_Frank
    0.03402498 Italic:ITA_ReginaMargherita_BA:GCP002A1
    0.03590496 Celtic:Celtic:Gaul_HLT:FRA_Grand_Est_IA1:Jeb8
    0.03614771 CelticEU_Singen_EBA:2100_1800_k11c
    0.03629619 Celtic:Belgae_Champagne
    0.03630340 Iberian:Celtiberian
    0.03633665 Celtic:LeponticAlps:CHE_IA:SX18
    0.03659067 Celtic:CHE_EBA:BC2150_1600_k4c
    0.03673259 Celtic:France_GrandEst_IA2

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    Quote Originally Posted by #Oda# View Post
    That's a lot of Celtic for a Pole, isn't it? I would have thought I ought to have more.
    Rather predictable considering

    Target: German_East_Prussia_Central
    Distance: 0.8762% / 0.00876183 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    47.6 Celtic
    33.2 Germanic
    10.0 Slavic
    9.2 Baltic


    Target: PolishL_WlkpWest1
    Distance: 1.0874% / 0.01087387 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    38.4 Slavic
    36.4 Celtic
    20.6 Baltic
    4.6 Germanic


    Target: Polish_Kashubian:Kashubian2
    Distance: 1.7653% / 0.01765283 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    50.4 Slavic
    26.6 Celtic
    15.0 Baltic
    8.0 Germanic

    Target: German_Farther_Pomerania
    Distance: 1.0099% / 0.01009895 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    49.0 Slavic
    27.2 Germanic
    23.8 Celtic

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