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    My haplo-cousins are not closer to me than my 3rd cousins, that's something you made up because it ifts into your y-dna propaganda.
    You're stupid for focusing on that 2%. Why are you ignoring the remaining 98%?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Universe View Post
    Propaganda and lies. A swedish R is genetically far closer to a Swedish I than an African-American R. People who have your haplogroup aren't your second cousins. You are talking about that "magical 2%", but you are ignoring the 98%. In we are comparing a Swedish R to a Swedish I, that 2% may be different but the remaining 98% is very similar. I share way more DNA with my second cousins (whatever their HG is) than with random people from the other side of the world matching my HG.
    The remaining 98% is similar? Are you serious???????? Even your mother is only 50% similar to you so a random I1 Swede is more related to a R1b Swede than his mother? I’ve read many silly things here but I think this tops it.

    You share only 12% with a first cousin and 0.7% with a third cousin.

    Today I learned that a Swedish I1 is more related to a Swedish R1b than his own mom. Very fascinating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Universe View Post
    My haplo-cousins are not closer to me than my 3rd cousins, that's something you made up because it ifts into your y-dna propaganda. You're stupid for focusing on that 2%. Why are you ignoring the remaining 98%?
    Haplo-cousins? They’re your cousins and with more impact

    What is the remaining 98%? You tell me. You share 50% of that with your parents, siblings and 12.5% with your first cousin. I really am curious where you think that the 98% means a Swedish neighbor??

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    I ordered during Black Friday 4 y haplogroup tests. For all my future boyfriends who will come along. And ofc some male friends

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katarzyna View Post
    I ordered during Black Friday 4 y haplogroup tests. For all my future boyfriends who will come along. And ofc some male friends
    Is R1b unacceptable to you



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mopi View Post
    Is R1b unacceptable to you
    It’s not unacceptable. But more of I’m kinda put off by the idea that most Europeans were fathered by only a handful steppe men. I’m sure that they feel the biggest ego boost now- that their bloodlines are still alive (I believe in life after death). And I just don’t want to give them that satisfaction.

    But then again. If I really love a guy I can definitively deal with his R1b. But not with haplogroup N. Under no circumstances would I date someone who is N. No offence, it’s just not my thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Touijer View Post
    Haplo-cousins? They’re your cousins and with more impact

    What is the remaining 98%? You tell me. You share 50% of that with your parents, siblings and 12.5% with your first cousin. I really am curious where you think that the 98% means a Swedish neighbor??
    Where do you get that by sharing a haplogroup you are already 2% similar to him?

    I only share 0.9% of my closest non-family relationship, I can see it in the DNA matches of commercial companies. Most are 0.5% or below.

    I also share 7.7% with my father's first cousin and she is by far the one with whom I share the most DNA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Touijer View Post
    The remaining 98% is similar? Are you serious???????? Even your mother is only 50% similar to you so a random I1 Swede is more related to a R1b Swede than his mother? I’ve read many silly things here but I think this tops it.

    You share only 12% with a first cousin and 0.7% with a third cousin.

    Today I learned that a Swedish I1 is more related to a Swedish R1b than his own mom. Very fascinating.
    People tend to share more DNA with people who come from the same ethnic/racial background than with people who come from different background. That's why they tend look more similar to each other than to people from other backgrounds (similar looks are result of shared DNA). This is quite obvious when you compare Swedes to Nigerians and not so obvious when you compare Swedes to Germans because the genetic distance is lower in that case. It's ridiculous that you focus on that 2% but ignore the 98%. That I share less DNA with my 3rd cousins than with a black man who has the same HG as me, is just your personal idea.

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    2002, different times: https://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/20/u...geography.html
    Scientists studying the DNA of 52 human groups from around the world have concluded that people belong to five principal groups corresponding to the major geographical regions of the world: Africa, Europe, Asia, Melanesia and the Americas.

    The study, based on scans of the whole human genome, is the most thorough to look for patterns corresponding to major geographical regions. These regions broadly correspond with popular notions of race, the researchers said in interviews.

    The researchers did not analyze genes but rather short segments of DNA known as markers, similar to those used in DNA fingerprinting tests, that have no apparent function in the body.

    ''What this study says is that if you look at enough markers you can identify the geographic region a person comes from,'' said Dr. Kenneth Kidd of Yale University, an author of the report.

    The issue of race and ethnicity has forced itself to biomedical researchers' attention because human populations have different patterns of disease, and advances in decoding DNA have made it possible to try and correlate disease with genetics.

    The study, published today in Science, finds that ''self-reported population ancestry likely provides a suitable proxy for genetic ancestry.'' In other words, someone saying he is of European ancestry will have genetic similarities to other Europeans.

    Using self-reported ancestry ''is less expensive and less intrusive'' said Dr. Marcus Feldman of Stanford University, the senior author of the study. Rather than analyzing a person's DNA, a doctor could simply ask his race or continent of origin and gain useful information about their genetic make-up.

    Several scientific journal editors have said references to race should be avoided. But a leading population geneticist, Dr. Neil Risch of Stanford University, argued recently that race was a valid area of medical research because it reflects the genetic differences that arose on each continent after the ancestral human population dispersed from its African homeland.

    ''Neil's article was theoretical and this is the data that backs up what he said,'' Dr. Feldman said.

    The new result is based on blood samples gathered from around the world as part of the Human Genome Diversity Project, though on a much less ambitious scale than originally intended. Dr. Feldman and his colleagues analyzed the DNA of more than 1,000 people at some 400 markers. Because the sites have no particular function, they are free to change or mutate without harming the individual, and can become quite different over the generations.

    The Science authors concluded that 95 percent of the genetic variations in the human genome is found in people all over the world, as might be expected for a small ancestral population that dispersed perhaps as recently as 50,000 years ago.

    But as the first human populations started reproducing independently from one another, each started to develop its own pattern of genetic differences. The five major continental groups now differ to a small degree, the Science article says, as judged by the markers. The DNA in the genes is subject to different pressures, like those of natural selection.

    Similar divisions of the world's population have been implied by earlier studies based on the Y chromosome, carried by males, and on mitochondrial DNA, bequeathed through the female line. But both elements constitute a tiny fraction of the human genome and it was not clear how well they might represent the behavior of the rest of the genome.

    Despite the large shared pool of genetic variation, the small number of differences allows the separate genetic history of each major group to be traced. Even though this split broadly corresponds with popular notions of race, the authors of Science article avoid using the word, referring to the genetic patterning they have found with words like ''population structure'' and ''self-reported population ancestry.''

    But Dr. Feldman said the finding essentially confirmed the popular conception of race. He said precautions should be taken to make sure the new data coming out of genetic studies were not abused.

    ''We need to get a team of ethicists and anthropologists and some physicians together to address what the consequences of the next phase of genetic analysis is going to be,'' he said.

    Some diseases are much commoner among some ethnic groups than others. Sickle cell anemia is common among Africans, while hemochromatosis, an iron metabolism disorder, occurs in 7.5 percent of Swedes. It can therefore be useful for a doctor to consider a patient's race in diagnosing disease. Researchers seeking the genetic variants that cause such diseases must take race into account because a mixed population may confound their studies.

    The new medical interest in race and genetics has left many sociologists and anthropologists beating a different drum in their assertions that race is a cultural idea, not a biological one. The American Sociological Association, for instance, said in a recent statement that ''race is a social construct'' and warned of the ''danger of contributing to the popular conception of race as biological.''

    Dr. Alan Goodman, a physical anthropologist at Hampshire College and an adviser to the association, said, ''there is no biological basis for race.'' The clusters shown in the Science article were driven by geography, not race, he said.

    But Dr. Troy Duster, a sociologist at New York University and chairman of the committee that wrote the sociologists' statement on race, said it was meant to talk about the sociological implications of classifying people by race and was not intended to discuss the genetics.

    ''Sociologists don't have the competence to go there,'' he said.
    Today we have commercial autosomal dna tests and calculators like gedmatch to measure genetic similarities between different groups, but you probably think that's fake or something. (You're way too fanatic). BTW the DNA responsible for looks is not the only DNA that we share with people who come from same ethnicity as us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defcon2 View Post
    Where do you get that by sharing a haplogroup you are already 2% similar to him?

    I only share 0.9% of my closest non-family relationship, I can see it in the DNA matches of commercial companies. Most are 0.5% or below.

    I also share 7.7% with my father's first cousin and she is by far the one with whom I share the most DNA.
    Commercial DNA tests don’t include the Y chromosome when checking relatedness. It’s simple. Your Y chromosome represents 2% of your entire genome, people from the same haplogroup share around 90-100% of the full Y dna including its unique mutations & genetic material. In short you have the same 2% as someone else from your haplogroup.

    If they included Y chromosome to check matches, everyone would have millions of match with second cousins.

    Here are some articles that link haplogroup with cardiac diseases:

    Haplogroup Linked to Higher Risk of Early Heart Attacks

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10381015/

    Haplogroup and it’s links to Heart Attack Susceptibility

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5793196/
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