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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurafricanid View Post
    ??? So you don't know what a mestizo means?
    Genetics and DNA it's not really my thing, I'm not here for the main reason I initially thought all Caucasians had those components.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laredo View Post
    Genetics and DNA it's not really my thing, I'm not here for the main reason I initially thought all Caucasians had those components.
    Caucasians are known for their CHG, not EHG/WHG. But beeing a mestizo you are 50% european, so obviously you'll have those components and with your european beeing spanish you have even more that the southern european average.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sacha View Post
    Result (removed empty ones):
    Arabian 7.86 Pct
    Armenian 8.02 Pct
    East_Med 42.7 Pct
    Iberian 0.33 Pct
    Italian 8.6 Pct
    Near_Eastern 18.39 Pct
    North_African 1.03 Pct
    West_Caucasian 6.04 Pct
    West_Med 7.03 Pct
    You have a very high East_Med score. Average East_Med for Maronites from Northern Lebanon is 35.52.

    Quote Originally Posted by majevica View Post
    And here some other Syrian averages if you're interested
    Which study (or studies) are these samples from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurafricanid View Post
    Caucasians are known for their CHG, not EHG/WHG. But beeing a mestizo you are 50% european, so obviously you'll have those components and with your european beeing spanish you have even more that the southern european average.
    Well yeah I was not really aware of that, and no I'm not 50% the lowest calculator both on gedmatch and g25 Is 57% anyway I don't want to derail the tread since it's another topic I just wanted to correct that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    Which study (or studies) are these samples from?
    I got them from the Moriopoulos Collection 2023 which I found here:

    https://www.exploreyourdna.com/listes.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laredo View Post
    Well yeah I was not really aware of that, and no I'm not 50% the lowest calculator both on gedmatch and g25 Is 57% anyway I don't want to derail the tread since it's another topic I just wanted to correct that.
    I was talking about being mestizo, I don't know your specific genetic makeup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    Can you post Eurogenes K36 results of your friends? Are they also Maronites (are Maronites Orthodox)?
    I only have one of them, here it is below (for "SachasLebaneseFriend2"):

    Arabian 12.57 Pct
    Armenian 10.25 Pct
    East_Med 31.33 Pct
    Iberian 3.98 Pct
    Italian 11.25 Pct
    Near_Eastern 27.53 Pct
    Northeast_African 0.18 Pct
    West_Caucasian 2.17 Pct
    West_Med 0.75 Pct

    He also did IllustrativeDNA, he is basically right in the center of their Levant cluster, and his closest populations on their modern model were:
    1 Palestinian Christian 2.717
    2 Lebanese Christian (Melkite) 2.842
    3 Lebanese Christian (Maronite) 2.937
    4 Lebanese Christian (Greek Orthodox) 2.999
    5 Druze (Israel) 3.330

    Maronites are Eastern Catholics (we are under the pope) but we have some slight similarities. My friends are both Lebanese Greek Orthodox from Lebanon's 'Akkar' governate, it is basically "the boonies" and was one of the parts of Syria given to Greater Lebanon. Lebanese Maronites from what I have observed a slight difference from Syrian Maronites genetically, I think they have more Canaanite mixture. This map is from 1935, but is a pretty good reference for the distributions of people in Syria-Lebanon in recent history, even if the color/representational choices are... Interesting...

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    As you can see, there is a big fat Maronite concentration right in the middle of Lebanon, this is where the majority of Maronites are from. But if you look up on the coast a little bit you will see a city called "Tartous" and above it a smaller one called "Banias"; my family is historically for the most part concentrated in the governate of Tartous, somewhat around that area. Tartous is also home to a lot of Alaouites/Alawites (people will call it "Alawistan" as a joke).

    Essentially, the majority of Maronites migrated from Antioch (blurry on the map but I think it is still visible) to Mount Lebanon for safety, and they also had mixture with the original inhabitants of the Mount Lebanon area. We kind of settled down in Tartous instead, where there are similar mountains for protection, and managed to survive for a while + were helped by the Crusades. Many people eventually dispersed, but there are still maybe 50000 of us left in Syria, almost all in Tartous— Maronite and Alawite relations are pretty decent, they're kind-of Muslim kind-of not, honestly our region is batshit insane.

    What I am trying to say is that we are kind of more genetically isolated than the main branch of Maronites, so I think this could be the reason I am plotting closer to Druze— Druze don't allow conversion in or out, they are extremely endogamous, so they have more 'preserved' placement I guess. I think this also explains my high East_Med, etc. I hope that makes sense haha, I tried to respond to all the observations but tell me if I missed anything. I am basically just a weird East Med / Levant slop
    23andMe: 100% Levantine
    AncestryDNA: 100% Levant (North Lebanon & Mount Lebanon)
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    Oh and "SachasLebaneseFriend2"'s 23andMe is:

    98.7% Levantine (North Governate, Tartus Governate)
    1.1% Cypriot
    0.2% South Chinese & Taiwanese
    23andMe: 100% Levantine
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    Quote Originally Posted by sacha View Post
    Lebanese Maronites from what I have observed a slight difference from Syrian Maronites genetically
    Do you have more examples of Syrian Maronites' DNA results other than yourself?

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    Target: Sacha(Syrian)_scaled
    Distance: 2.9598% / 0.02959780

    54.6 Iran_Neolithic
    28.6 Middle-East_Neolithic
    16.8 Steppe_Nomads


    Target: Sacha(Syrian)_scaled
    Distance: 2.9598% / 0.02959780

    41.2 Iran_Neolithic:I4351_noUDG
    22.8 Middle-East_Neolithic:I1699
    13.8 Steppe_Nomads:Yamnaya:I5119
    13.4 Iran_Neolithic:I2323
    5.8 Middle-East_Neolithic:I1710
    3.0 Steppe_Nomads:Yamnaya:I3141_enhanced



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