J2 and the foundation of Human Civilization

**~~Tongio~~** · 07-05-2022, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by zebruh

poland isn't J-L283 heavy. Germany has more J-L283 than poland.

Of course germany have more, tumulus culture core was in southern germany.

Also none of the Ancient J-L283 are from poland or Germany.

Not yet.But the Maros Bell beackers on panonia had their origin from further west , so use your brain a little.

Although before arriving to the balkans its possible that they crossed poland. It wasnt a heavier concentration of J-L283 there. Its mostly in the adriatic and italian regions where we have ancient samples from.
Also having a current day polish person of J-L283 doesnt mean it spent most of its time in poland. Its more recent migration

We have huge diversity in Poland, including basal Yp61, that doesnt look recent at all we also have two non atested L283 goths from eastern Poland .

Yes you can see there is only 1 ancient J-L283 in nederlands 1300 CE. Its recent
None in poland.
The viking is about 1000 ad
The one in estonia is 1500ad

Yes , they are all of Roman origin, the west slav from GERMANY (not netherlands), the viking and the estonian.

Its actually possible they crossed the black sea and landed straight into the balkans first. Which may reflect sea faring capabilties and is why they are concentrated in the adriatic and also have very old samples in sardinia with basal pre z585 J-L283

There is not a single BASAL Z585 in sardinia.Why do you talk such wrong stuff like u are spreading facts?

Also we have J-L283 in spain that has been linked to Albanian J-L283

Ok so what there is like one z638 spaniard ? Im of portuguese origin, no albanian on my specific branch.

**~~zebruh~~** · 07-05-2022, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by Tongio

Of course germany have more, tumulus culture core was in southern germany.

Not yet.But the Maros Bell beackers on panonia had their origin from further west , so use your brain a little.

We have huge diversity in Poland, including basal Yp61, that doesnt look recent at all we also have two non atested L283 goths from eastern Poland .

Yes , they are all of Roman origin, the west slav from GERMANY (not netherlands), the viking and the estonian.

There is not a single BASAL Z585 in sardinia.Why do you talk such wrong stuff like u are spreading facts?

Ok so what there is like one z638 spaniard ? Im of portuguese origin, no albanian on my specific branch.

We have basal new worlders. I am a basal new worlder.. doesnt mean J-Z600 was in the americas in 5400 years before present. There is no ancient samples there.
Same with poland.

Romans invaded germania. We know that so they had their way with germanic woman and some of their children would be J-L283.
And germans migrated to poland also and back and forth.

There is z585 ancient sardinian samples and -z585

J-Y45181 is z585 with age
They are other post z585 kits from sardinia without a age listed. Probably modern sardinian people

And we have much more basal ones

Again talking with no ancient evidence to support your opinion.
The fact is there is no ancient J-L283 in germany or poland.
No albanian connection. Not yet or at least no balkan or central medditernean connection.
We are west balkan adriatic central medditernean lineages that spread out.
The other j2 are related to greeks and other founders of civilization.

**~~Tongio~~** · 07-05-2022, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by zebruh

We have basal new worlders. I am a basal new worlder.. doesnt mean J-Z600 was in the americas in 5400 years before present. There is no ancient samples there.
Same with poland.

Romans invaded germania. We know that so they had their way with germanic woman and some of their children would be J-L283.
And germans migrated to poland also and back and forth.

There is z585 ancient sardinian samples and -z585

J-Y45181 is z585 with age
They are other post z585 kits from sardinia without a age listed. Probably modern sardinian people

And we have much more basal ones

Again talking with no ancient evidence to support your opinion.
The fact is there is no ancient J-L283 in germany or poland.
No albanian connection. Not yet or at least no balkan or central medditernean connection.
We are west balkan adriatic central medditernean lineages that spread out.
The other j2 are related to greeks and other founders of civilization.

Ok , big hug to u i have better things to do.