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I was making a comment about von der Leyen talking in the video. I was pointing out her hypocrisy, because she accuses Putin and his friends of being corrupt, and being afraid of people who fight for freedom. I’m not saying Putin is perfect, he might be corrupt and not willing to give up his chair. Also if the people want to put some flowers in memory of a dead person, I don't see that as a crime.
But she mentions all that, while she is not a stranger to corruption herself. And she’s not a supporter of individuals freedoms in the EU, like freedom of speech. She’s pro-censorship of those who question the official narrative in EU.
She called for collaboration between governments and corporations to fight "industrial-scale disinformation" that threatens official narratives
Anything that challenges official narratives or agenda such as alternative voices, can be labelled as misinformation. Aren’t those disident voices too? And who is she to say, what EU citizens should do? She’s unelected in her position.
But people like her, are not really interested in “freedom of individuals” or “fighting against corruption”, these are mere words thrown around. Otherwise, she would apply these concepts herself.
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About your question, the situation is currently a bit different, because Russia is under martial law. Under martial law a number of rights are suspended.
We too experienced rights suspension during pandemics. I believe that was abusive, and only few people spoke against it, many conformed. With the people in power of EU, that kind of emergency state can return anytime. In the past, many years ago, it might have been different but nowadays it feels like "democracy" is an empty word. There are certain agendas pushed down the people's throat.
Yes, the average people can still criticize their leaders and make protests, but if we would have martial law like the Russians, or another pandemics that would stop. In any case, criticism does not seem to affect politicians much. Even with clear cases of corruption, what actually happens to them? Best case they get a bit of jail time and that is all. Did Iliescu served any time in jail after Mineriade? The brutal scenes were seen by the whole world. And we had the case in Romania of protests from 10 August when force was used abusively, against protesters.
But the censorship in the EU is on the rising too, many who post on social media have their posts removed. Media is usually one sided. Certain Russian media sites were censored.
Last year a new law came into force. 19 social networks, goods markets and search engines, including Google, YouTube, Amazon, Facebook, Instagram, X (formerly Twitter) or TikTok are under surveillance of European Union. They are obligated to "combat disinformation", "online hate", child pornography or counterfeiting, under the supervision of the European Commission (EC). Again, under “disinformation” anything that goes against official narrative can be put.
And Italian president Sergio Mattarella proposed a law requiring access to the Internet only with an identity document, to limit “hate speech”.
If Russia will be heading into a digital dictatorship, in which no one will be able to have different opinion than the official one or else will be sanctioned, I’m afraid we in the EU, might not so far behind. We’ve seen masks falling off, and had a glance of this, some years ago when various freedoms were infringed: there was censorship, social pressure to get the jab & green pass, people who did not comply lost their jobs, the army was put in the streets, the freedom of travelling was limited, freedom of asembley was limited, etc.
This can return any day. None of these officials, truly care about no citizens freedoms. The only one who must defend them, are the people themselves.
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The goal of our world is the emergence of true democracy. There is no democracy in the EU, the USA, China, and Russia yet, but Russia today is the closest country to democracy thanks to our last tsar Putin, a pure-blooded Russian smartest man from Tver. Russia is the last country with an Indo-European leader who adheres to the rules of human values. Russia is not perfect, there are a lot of problems, but Putin alone solves them. I do not know of any leader in the world in all of history who has achieved more than this simple Russian guy. He restored Russia's economic potential, he stopped ethnic strife in Russia, he protected ordinary Russians in the Donbas. He gave people complete unconditional freedom of choice and freedom of speech.
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One can guess the level of democratic potential in a place, by looking at the percentage of EEF in population. It’s difficult to implement such ideas as freedom of speech, in populations where EEF goes lower, than a certain percentage. For example, the input of EEF in Switzerland, through southern influences, help them to maintain such a political system.
The concept of democracy, was born in Greece, in Athens around 500 BCE.
Samples from Bronze Age, showed that ancient Greeks from that area, had really high % of EEF. This percentage was most probably maintained during Classical Era too, when Ancient Greeks began to develop democracy.
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