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Once again I made a distinction between trafficked prostitutes and women who in the west choose to work in legal brothels
or high class escorts.
I think the women who have more options eg professional models or university students/college girls that choose to work in this industry I doubt those women would
stay in the industry if the prices dropped. That is where your argument does not make sense, because those people are not obligated to work
as sex workers many of them have capacity to do other work the reason they have chose sex work is specifically because they can make a lot of money from it.
If they couldnt make lot of money from it they would not do it.
The drug addicts and low skilled and probably less healthy sex workers are more likely to stay in the industry even if the prices drop.
But it is probably not likely the prices of high class escorts will drop because many are seen by wealthier customers.
Again my posts have not been promoting sex work but simply stating my belief that there are many women in the west that choose to do this work rather than not having other options that is all that i have essentially been saying.
I mean choice is choice , if you have a choice then its very pretencious to pretend that you just have to stick with a crap job simply because "the money is too good" ? , People are responsible for there choices when they have a capacity to choose.
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No, you cannot make this distinction.
Trafficking, pimping, gang activity, drug addiction are widespread in the German mega-brothels,
there have been many crackdowns and scandals. The more the police look, the more they find.
As brothels become larger and more widespread, the trafficking problem will also become more widespread,
unless there is no migration, and a large bureaucracy that verifies the immigration status and labour status of every prostitute.
Not likely, especially since NGOs and companies "recruit" desperate foreign women legally and get them visas.
Legal prostitution and lax border controls and mass migration will INEVITABLY lead to widespread trafficking.
Close the borders and maybe we can talk again about prostitution for the local, legal population.
Yes, high-class escorts are totally different. Sugar babies can be like middle-class escorts for men with some money.
Exactly, this is what I am saying.
Falling prices, from legalisation, Ukrainian refugees, increasing supply, changing culture, OnlyFans, etc.,
harms legal prostitutes' OWN financial prospects (unless they are unusually beautiful), and goes against their own self-interest.
And "all-inclusive deals" (imposed by management?) remove the ability of the prostitute to negotiate.
And rougher sex, degradation and abuse becomes normalised like in porn.
The prostitutes themselves regret it eventually, but don't have much choice, or don't know another life.
And cash comes easily, they have a place to sleep, and prostitution looks terrible on a resume anyway.
Look, most prostitutes are not that smart, unless you count street smarts.
With lower prices it will be more difficult for them to make a living.
Those that continue, for low prices, have other issues (drugs, debt, desperation, lack of skills, etc.)
On the contrary,
these will be the only ones left in the industry (except for escorts and part-time opportunists) if prices keep dropping.
Criminal cartels can work to keep prices high,
but they will still be employing this unhealthy trafficked type to cut costs, maximise profit.
I am not debating the morality of voluntary non-coerced prostitution, that is a separate discussion.
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On the other hand you can say, things only emerge when there‘s a need.
Okay, as I have already assumed yesterday, you got me wrong. I do not disapprove it. I simply corrected your statement about the West resp. especially Germany being degenerate for decades, since the 90s, because in opposite to you I was a grown-up eyewitness of that time, and rothaer, who's the same, agreed to it, if you might have overlooked that.
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of course you can predominantly make this distinction amongst western national European/British/American/Australian]No, you cannot make this distinction.
Trafficking, pimping, gang activity, drug addiction are widespread in the German mega-brothels,
there have been many crackdowns and scandals. The more the police look, the more they find.
Legal prostitution and lax border controls and mass migration will INEVITABLY lead to widespread trafficking.
etc prostitutes because the trafficking is predominantly Asian and certain east european countries.
If prostitution is legal there is government capacity for checking which does happen in the west in legal brothels and if that
in certain instances has put light on where there is trafficking then those places should be closed down.
Again there is a distinction between trafficked and non trafficked prostitutes, there is also a distinction between high brow
brothels there are female run brothels with female western management.
To my initial post which was simply noting that there are many women that by their own choice not coercian work as sex workers
most of the responses including your actually prove what I was saying that a number of people just cant seem to accept and handle that this is the case and much of the responses including yours seem to be red herrings and derailments/diversions used seemingly to cast doubt on this point.
Even if 100 independent escorts appeared and said yes they have college degree's but they voluntarily worked in prostitution for some time ... many here seemingly would find some way to deny it because there is a tendency to not wish to accept it which is what i originally said and it seems i have been proved exactly correct. Thank you for again proving my point.
The bottom rung of cheaper prostitution in much of the west has already been knocked down or lowered due to Asian immigration and the spread of the Asian love you long time massage parlours that seem to have popped up in every big urban city over the last 10 to 15 years.Exactly, this is what I am saying.
Falling prices, from legalisation, Ukrainian refugees, increasing supply, changing culture, OnlyFans, etc.,
harms legal prostitutes' OWN financial prospects (unless they are unusually beautiful), and goes against their own self-interest.
I dont think the medium level to high level escorts have been affected by this as they depend on customers that are already willing to pay higher prices, if anything prostitution has probably only increased than decreased.
that is not on the contrary to what i was saying it is actually what I was saying if you did actually read what I wrote that should be apparent. You seem to be fixated on prices dropping I never mentioned prices other than the women who have the option to do other types of work but that choose to work as prostitutes even only parttime are doing it because of the quick and lucrative money they can make. I made that point clear also in my intial post.On the contrary,
these will be the only ones left in the industry (except for escorts and part-time opportunists) if prices keep dropping.
It is not a seperate discussion it is pretty much what i talked about from my initial post to this thread rather you and others seperated it from the original discussion with all the red herrings about trafficked prostitutes lol.I am not debating the morality of voluntary non-coerced prostitution, that is a separate discussion.
non cooerced voluntary prostitution is precisely what I have been posting about despite the fact that seemingly people think that it
does not exist or rather they seem to wish to deny its existence.
I was not debating the morality of it I was stating that it exists and that there is a willingness amongst certain women to do this, again the odd and funny thing is a seeming desire from many to wish to deny that and somehow blame everything on coercian trqfficking etc.
On the other hand I dont find it at all suprising that many females that are not prostitutes to have a general aversion to prostitutes to be strange it is rather expected because logically prostitutes take both the potential money and male attention away from women in society but that was not even my point . To my point mostly the response was not addressing my point but going everywhere around it and restating the point that i already acknowledged that there is also exists trafficked and coerced prostitution but i was discussing women like the ones in the youtube videos i posted if you watched them.
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yes corruption to various degree's is present in every field as is all human vices such as use of alcohol and drugs.
from lawyers doctors judges etc you can and will find cocaine users and alcohol drinkers you will also find people that have experienced abuse
because all of those things are across the board statistically like 1 in 5 or 1 in 10 whatever it is.
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