As a whole, do Syrians or Venezuelans look more European?

[alnortedelsur]

(1) Even in those photos from the private university (more so the second than first photo, for whatever reason), there are still a lot of Mestizos and Triracials. (2) In any case, as you know full well, there is a world of difference between e.g. passing in Greece and passing in Denmark. While hardly any Syrians could do the latter, there is a large minority who could do the former.

I didn't claim in any moment that everybody in those two pictures is white and full Euro-looking, but a very decent percentage of them (at least half or more than a half of them) are either white or castizos, and then, most of the other people are at least balanced mestizos (half European) or harnizos (harnizos are mestizos who are 60-70% European and the rest Amerindian for those who don't know) or mestizo leaning triracials (triracials with more Euro and Amerindian than SSA admixture) with also their good share of European admixture. You don't see nearly anybody as black admixed as the people posted by Arkas.

In the case of castizos and whites (at least a half or more than a half of those university students) look way more European than Syrians since the full white looking ones ARE European (racially), and in the case of castizos, their racial admix IS European. And in the case of the rest, since most of them are at least balanced mestizos (half European) or harnizos or mestizo leaning triracials (not balanced or dark triracials) and their Caucasian blood IS European, they are at least about even with Syrians in looking European, but the group as a whole (since at least half or more than half of them look way more European looking than syrians) is closer in looks to Europeans than Syrians.

Your opinion of the videos of crowds from Caracas and Barquisimeto?

[alnortedelsur]

I think it's a bit unreasonable to compare triracials and mestizos with Syrians though, a fair comparison would be the Castizo/pred euro range of Venezuelans with Syrians as both are predominantly Caucasoid.

It depends, Venezuelans who are balanced mestizos, harnizos, or mestizo leaning and Euro leaning triracials are at least comparable to Syrians in looking European (none of them pass in Europe but they are more or less even in their degree of looking similarity with Europeans), and in the case of full/near full Euro and castizo Venezuelans they win to Syrians in looking European by a landslide.

Those more African leaning Venezuelans (a decent percentage of Venezuelan population, but NOT majority) are way less European looking than Syrians, but then, castizos and white Venezuelans (another sizable minority of the Venezuelan population) are way more Euro looking than Syrians, and those two extremes cancel each other.

And then, a very large portion of Venezuelans who are in between those two extremes, are comparable to Syrians in looking European. Check those videos of Caracas and Barquisimeto in my response to Arkas, if you wanna see a full picture of how Venezuelans look like at a large scale (very large crowds with people from different social classes in very central places).

Then, comparing Venezuelans as a whole with Syrians in looking European is a fair comparison.

[Avicenna]

It depends, Venezuelans who are balanced mestizos, harnizos, or mestizo leaning and Euro leaning triracials are at least comparable to Syrians in looking European (none of them pass in Europe but they are more or less even in their degree of looking similarity with Europeans), and in the case of full/near full Euro and castizo Venezuelans they win to Syrians in looking European by a landslide.

Those more African leaning Venezuelans (a decent percentage of Venezuelan population, but NOT majority) are way less European looking than Syrians, but then, castizos and white Venezuelans (another sizable minority of the Venezuelan population) are way more Euro looking than Syrians, and those two extremes cancel each other.

And then, a very large portion of Venezuelans are in between those two extremes and are comparable to Syrians in looking European. Check those videos of Caracas and Barquisimeto in my response to Arkas, if you wanna see a full picture of how Venezuelans look like at a large scale (very large crowds with people from different social classes in very central places).

Then, comparing Venezuelans as a whole with Syrians in looking European is a fair comparison.

Interesting, the only in real life experience I've had with Venezuelans were two fellas, both fully Portuguese. One looked extremely typical southern European whilst the other was dark but still Caucasoid . He could have passed in middle east with ease, both fully Portuguese though.

[Tooting Carmen]

The crowds from Barquisimeto and Caracas are a whole mixture of things, with no race strongly predominating as such. But the thing is that even many, though of course not all, of the darker and more stereotypically 'Arab'-looking Syrians do have a few counterparts in southernmost Europe in a way that most Venezuelans do not.

In short, while I think the two nations are overall comparable in this regard, I would say that more Syrians than Venezuelans could pass as atypical/fringe Europeans, even if more Venezuelans could pass as 'stereotypical' Europeans.

[alnortedelsur]

The crowds from Barquisimeto and Caracas are a whole mixture of things, with no race strongly predominating as such. But the thing is that even many though of course not all of darker, more stereotypically 'Arab' looking Syrians do have a few counterparts in southernmost Europe in a way that most Venezuelans do not.

In short, while I think the two nations are overall comparable in this regard, I would say that more Syrians than Venezuelans could pass as atypical/fringe Europeans, even if more Venezuelans could pass as 'stereotypical' Europeans.

I still insist that lots of Venezuelans (mestizos, harnizos and mestizo leaning triracials) who are in an intermediate position between the heavily SSA admixed ones and the very Euro-leaning ones (castizos and whites), are comparable to Syrians in terms of looking European, because those mixed Venezuelans from that intermediate segment of the Venezuelan population, have a considerable amount of Euro admixture (in most cases equal or above 50% European) and their Caucasian input IS European, unlike Syrians, who are near 0% European by blood (excluding some possible old European input from crusaders), which is something that compensates their mixtures with Amerindian and SSA when comparing their Europeaness in looks compared to Syrians.

[Tooting Carmen]

I still insist that lots of Venezuelans (mestizos, harnizos and mestizo leaning triracials) who are in an intermediate position between the heavily SSA admixed ones and the very Euro-leaning ones (castizos and whites), are comparable to Syrians in terms of looking European, because those mixed Venezuelans from that intermediate segment of the Venezuelan population, have a considerable amount of Euro admixture (in most cases equal or above 50% European) and their Caucasian input IS European, unlike Syrians, who are near 0% European by blood (excluding some possible old European input from crusaders), which is something that compensates their mixtures with Amerindian and SSA when comparing their Europeaness in looks compared to Syrians.

I know what you are saying. Nevertheless, Amerindian and SSA admixture, even among Euro-Mestizos, IMHO stands out even more in Europe than do Arabid traits, which can sometimes (not most of the time, just sometimes) resemble the darker types in southernmost Europe.

[Avicenna]

I know what you are saying. Nevertheless, Amerindian and SSA admixture, even among Euro-Mestizos, IMHO stands out even more in Europe than do Arabid traits, which can sometimes (not most of the time, just sometimes) resemble the darker types in southernmost Europe.

I think they stand out just as equally tbh man

I mean these guys wouldn't pass anywhere in Europe and they are Syrian let alone the Arabid versions within Palestinians, Jordanians , Saudis , Yemenis

[Tooting Carmen]

The first guy does resemble some Greeks and Albanians. I agree about the others.

[alnortedelsur]

I think they stand out just as equally tbh man

I mean these guys wouldn't pass anywhere in Europe and they are Syrian let alone the Arabid versions within Palestinians, Jordanians , Saudis , Yemenis

Indeed, most of them (except the first one, who looks too much Arabid) could reaonably pass as mixed Venezuelans from that intermediate segment of the Venezuelan population that I talk about.

[Tooting Carmen]

More generally, the debate about who looks European versus who looks MENA can be quite subjective and arbitrary. For example, there is currently a thread about French politician Stephane Sejourne, with some claiming he doesn't look European at all (even in a darker-than-average Mediterranean sense).