NW Caucasians on G25

[axlredneck]

Unlike other people in Caucasus that claim a Steppe origin (from Sarmatians, Alans and other cultures), Karachay-Balkars and Kumyks descend from these Steppe people (Inc. Bulgars) and have the most diverse Steppe Y-lines.

[axlredneck]

1) Z282 > .... > Y12463

link: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y12463/

European subclade, general among Slavic peoples. Only one clan Motta belongs to this subclade.

2) Z282 > ... > YP569

link: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP569/

Other European subclade. And again - only one clan Efendi belongs to it.

3) Z282 > PF6155 > M458

link: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-M458/

Some unidentified subclade inside the M458 SNP. We have three Balkar clans here (Ehçi, Tawmurza, Boza) and possibly also three Karachay clans (Gedi, Haparuq, Qoyçu).

4) Z93*

link: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z93/

Some unidentified subclades, but definitely belongs to Z93. It's such Karachay clans as Batça (atawul Suyqun), Dotda, Cukka, Ahtaw, Çoçu, Böden, Glow, Qorqmaz and also Balkar clans Geriy, Beçel and Özden.

5) Z93 > Z94*

link: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z94/

Only one clan Haci belongs to unidentified subclade of Z94 (he have also negative results for Z2122 and Z2123 SNPs).

6) Z93 > ... > Z2125*

link: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2125/

Three Balkar clans (Žanatay, Guppo, Qožaq) belongs to some unidentified subclade of Z2125.

7) Z93 > ... > Z2122 > ... > Y52

link: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y52/

This is the second most common subclade among Karachay-Balkars (such clans as Gerbek, Sılpağar, Tübey, Sarıbaş, Şaman, Haci, Gemu, Şungar, Hubiy, Qara). Also there is big diversity inside of this subclade among Karachay-Balkars.

8) Z93 > ... > Z2122 > ... > F1019

link: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-F1019/

Second big subclade of Z2122 also presented among Karachay-Balkars (such clans as Hatua, Möçü, Malqar, Cabel, Bayramuq).

9) Z93 > ... > Z2123 > Y934 > YP451

link: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP451/

Most common subclade among Karachay-Balkars (~ 60-70% of all R1a). It is also considered to be the best ethnic identity of Karachays and Balkars. Time to the earliest common ancestor – 2200 years. This is also the subclade all the R1a princely clans belongs to.

10) Z93 > ... > Z2123 > Y934 > BY30762

link: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y178665/

Second subclade inside of Y934 SNP among Karachay-Balkars. Here we have four Balkar clans (Moqa, Qubadiy, Akkiy, Met).

11) Z93 > ... > Z2123 > Y934 > Y7094

link: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-FT353771/

Third subclade inside of Y934. We have here such Balkar clans as Buday, Gayı, Gilâh. Time to the earliest common ancestor inside of Karachay-Balkars - 2600 years.

12) Z93 > ... > Z2123 > Y934 > Y15121

link: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-FT359082/

Fourth subclade inside of Y934. Four Balkar clans belong to it (Kiştik, Zabaq, Qužon, Gažon).

13) Z93 > ... > Z2123 > Y934 > YP6420

link: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP6420/

Fifths subclade inside of Y934. Only one Karachay clan Caba belongs to it.

14) Z93 > ... > Z2123 > Y934*

link: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y934/

Some unsupported sixth subclade of Y934, where four Balkar clans belong (Gerĝoq, Mahıy, Çoçay, Tışhan).

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People asking, so I tried to explain about R1a subclades among Karachay-Balkars. It's actually very big diversity for people with such little population (~ 300 000). Moreover, subclades mostly don't have connections with other peoples in millenniums. It can only means big and rich [steppe] history in past.

(Originally posted by Samuel Guta on Facebook)

[axlredneck]

Medieval Circassians on G25

[axlredneck]

A half Abazin half Iron Ossetian....

[axlredneck]

It's weird how Ossetians, despite their Iranian language, completely lack uniparentals relating to the Steppe or even Slavic people when all their neighbors have them in significant numbers.

And comments like these.... WOW!
G2a ain't Indo-European, though.

[axlredneck]

A Jordanian Circassian

[axlredneck]

A Digor Ossetian from Turkey.

[interes]

A Digor Ossetian from Turkey.

Ossetians look like much more iranians than west georgians imeretins from kutaisi circassians look like more tyrks than imeretins to me

[axlredneck]

A new Circassian in the clade with a Volga Tatar and an Assyrian.