EuroCup 2024 Squads

[Lioncourt]

Why would Bulgarian women look for Armenian husband? I don't find them to be attractive, while lots of Bulgarians (both men and women) may be quite handsome.

There is an old Armenian community in Bulgaria and many Armenians are/were of high status, mostly because they used to be craftsmen.

[rothaer]

To rebuttal that point I might face legal consequences, you might can guess my opinion.

I’ve full understanding and I consider it a legally unbearable situation that we can not openly exchange about that.

Regardless of a event in history and that number, whatever happened during these years was based on a homogenous society before the invention of mass media and disruption of society by our current economic system and dissolvement of family ties. Every collectivistic and ethnocentric effort by the German people will always be suppressed by arguing with the 3rd Reich. We now if we like it or not, live in a atomized society in west germany even more so than in east Germany. A logical consequence of capitalism.

Fashions, also political ones, regularly come in pendulum movements and when there is well a change it often goes much farer than anyone would expect.

But isolated from that, id support your pronatalist ideas, I just dont think you can achieve a positive birthrate under the frame of a liberal society. You need to go back to archaic family structures in order to achieve it.

We have had a big change in the environment of the people the last 100 years by birth control and more social freedom etc. I’m convinced that the best tackeling of that new conditions is not to remove them - I see no realistic chance for that - but a normal biological adaptation process to those conditions. This means that simply those who reproduce under the given circumstances will form the coming generations and those who don’t will die out. The result will be a healthy population that biologically works fine under the given conditions. It’s no problem if the people shrinks during this adaptation process. That is normal. But during this adaptation process the population is particularly vulnearble and has to be protected from foreign influx.

The common ground of every German has to be Germanic ancestry, as its the link between every distant Germans to begin with.
There are Germans without much or any slavic,baltic,roman ancestry but there cannot be a German without Germanic ancestry.
This is simply the foundation of our house and you cannot have a sustainable structure without a foundation.

You do have a point there. I think that the early Celtic admixture starting at abt. 200 BCE is also a commonality. Perspectively the other contributions will also become a commonality, although I’d be fine with remaining regional differences.

I am not sure if I dont understand your point, or I fail to make others understand my point.

Its inevitable that some of your and my ancestors had to fall under the nGna category, this land wasnt always inhabited by the same people, there always were large scale migration periods and periods of invasions.

To simplify, if the common ground is Germanic ancestry, and you and I are not fully Germanic, ancestors of our past had mixed with different ethnicities, people that fall under the nGna category.

Absolutely. To express it drastically: Our Old-German, Celtic, Baltic, Slavic etc. ancestral populations have died out in favour of the ethnogenesis of today’s ethnic Germans. As Germans we have a diffferent interest and a different identity then our various ancestral populations. Preserving us is something different than preserving them.

Maybe the resolves all assumed contradictions.

What I think, your approach to what is defined as acceptable to be a German, exceeds even the Nürnberger Gesetze if I even understand your view correctly. I think if we draw the line of acceptable mixing within the border of autochthonous european populations, thats way more communicable and realistic. I dont even try to say such partnerships should be promoted.

I think that my take on the German ethnicity is essentially congruent with what deutsche Volkszugehörigkeit simply means in the German language and in that point the view in the Third Reich does not notably differ from the view in the jurisdiction of the Bundesverwaltungsgericht of the FRG in the context of the Bundesvertriebengesetz. The only notable difference between the Third Reich perception and the referred to FRG jurisdiction is that the aspect of Jewish ancestry is no particular matter to the latter.

Spoiler!

What I elaborated is unrelated to the Nuremberg laws. Please attend what I now exactly say, because this will bring clarity in the very common today’s fog:

The Nuremberg laws did not determine who is an ethnic German. The Nuremberg laws determined who is (out of a particular reason) incompatible with being considered a German and having the citizenship of the German Empire. This by no means implicates that who ist not incompatible according to the Nuremberg laws to be a German then is a German. He could as well be a Spaniard or a Russian.

Another main aim of the Nuremberg laws was to define Jews ancestry-wise and separate Jews from non-Jews. What is not much attended is that that this separation was designed absolutely symmetrically in the middle. In the commentary to the Nuremberg laws this is motivated. There is written that one could have thought of making a separation not in the middle but letting a smaller part than ½ Jewish ancestry (in regard to the grandparents) be sufficient for a separation. But the law maker decided against that because too much valuable German blood then would become lost.
This makes clear that there was no imagination of a genetic inferiority of Jewish blood per se - that would suggest a one-drop-rule or at least a line that is not at 50% - but more an imagination of a particularist Jewish anti-German acting hostile organism. It’s not by chance that Jews in the Third Reich were often mentioned in one sentence with Bolsheviks and free masons, entities that are not at all defined by blood.

The National Socialist reference to Jewish blood was to a notable degree motivated by to at all grasp a group of people that was considered having a separate loyalty and acting in a kind of permanent conspiracy at expence of the common German people.

So this was a pretty different approach compared to the Mulattos and mixed Gypsies (Sinti). It would be unimaginabele that there would have been considered that if ¼ Gypsies and ¼ Negros are to be excluded too much valuable German blood would become lost. Rather there would have been stated that that would be a good opportunity to get rid also of the most trashy and degenerate German blood.

Now, in the Third Reich as a state there were regulated legal things like the citizenship of the German Empire. In spite of that you had the Volksgemeinschaft of the German people as a political / philosophical topic it was not subject to a separate legal determination. But in the Eastern territories (RG Wartheland, RG Danzig-Westpreußen f. i.) where there was granted the unconditional German citizenship to ethnic Germans. They were determined within the procedure of the Deutsche Volksliste (DVL) and ethnic Germans were enrolled in Abteilung 1 and 2 of the DVL.

Now, being an ethnic German has more requirements than a particular ancestry. (In regard to ancestry we hitherto just spoke of what ancestry would be incompatible with being a German. A compatible ancestry does not yet necessarly cause you being a German.)
However, I can report that my maternal grandfather in the RG Wartheland that had ¼ Polish ancestry first was not grouped in DVL Abteilung 1 or 2, implying to be an ethnic German, but in DVL Abteilung 3 with the remark „leicht verpolt“ (slightly Polonised). But less than a year later - he had meanwhile married my maternal grandmother (4/4 German ancestry) that was in DVL Abteilung 2 - he was regrouped into DVL Abteilung 2 as well. So under those circumstances ¼ of Polish ancestry was considered compatible with being a German. This is essentially in line with the common German perception and the mentioned jurisdiction of the FRG Bundesverwaltungsgericht that had to deal with the question of German ethnicity repeatedly.

Btw. the NSDAP party program refers to the German ethnicity at some occasions and states in its #8:

8. Jede weitere Einwanderung Nicht-Deutscher ist zu verhindern. Wir fordern, daß alle Nicht-Deutschen, die seit 2. August 1914 in Deutschland eingewandert sind, sofort zum Verlassen des Reiches gezwungen werden.

(8. Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who have immigrated to Germany since 2 August 1914 be forced to leave the Reich immediately.)

[Insuperable]

I did not say that. I had sex with some non white person but its not many and not race mixing either. Race mixing is when you have mixed kids.

Is that how you cope with sleeping with some non-whites, calling others incels? Not many lulz. How many 5 or 6 or 10?

[Hektor12]

For giving an approximate orientation I’d say that ¼ of Czech ancestry could be compatible with being German, while ¼ of Polish ancestry I’d view debateable.

On paternal/maternal ancestry weighting, would you count them different or equal?

[#Oda#]

On paternal/maternal ancestry weighting, would you count them different or equal?

equally (99% sure)

[Damião de Góis]

26 out of 38. Around 70% of the squad is made up of players of exclusively Portuguese descent. 25 players if we were to exclude Raphaël Guerreiro because he has a French mother but I didn't.

We'll know on tuesday. I believe at least the starting eleven will be mostly portuguese, in theory Pepe has lost his place to Ruben Dias and Gonçalo Inácio, but you never know, CR7 might tell the coach to play Pepe.

Either way, i have no problems with the likes of Rafael Leão playing for Portugal, but i have issues with naturalized players, which is the case of several brazilians in our team.

[#Oda#]

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The aim is simple. Germans shall have German partners. And considering that we are the second biggest people in Europe no compatriot can be heard with an excuse that he or she doesn’t find something suitable.

How would I try to educate the society for promoting that aim?

I’d be very aware of what destroyed this natural strive and that is the loss of national/ethnic pride. I actually see the performed holocaust remembrance as a notable contributor to the loss of pride. I’d much promote that pride by teaching various positive things and nice performances of our people and I think that if the normal pride has recovered all other things will work automatically in the wished for direction. I’d also teach the banality that you can only continue your people and your ancestors if you breed your own kind. I’d re-introduce the Mutterkreuz as an award for having 5 or more German children. I’d cut the social support for childless older Germans with the intent that all shall see that children lack and what are the consequences. Their omissions should not be compensated by forein care personnel.

That's your error in thought. Pride was hardly ever a reason for it and thus a change won‘t cause a change. Beyond that the majority of Germans has managed to unite the unquenchable part of history called Holocaust with esteem for the own country and a national sentiment. That's no contradiction - only to AfD and nazis it is, sorry, I meant in your case 97% nazi.

[rothaer]

On paternal/maternal ancestry weighting, would you count them different or equal?

Equally (like #Oda# correctly assumed).

Spoiler!

Genetically it looks like this:

To the autosomal and the X chromosomal DNA it's irrelevant if it passed male or female ancestors. In fact it will essentially all have passed both male and female ancestors so I see zero relevance in the question which sex it passed the last generation berfore you received it.

If you are a male, you even received more relevant DNA from your mother than from your father because the X chromosome contains much more genes than the Y chromosome. In some species the Y chromosome has vanished so female is XX and male is X. This sheds some light on the biological relevance of the Y chromosome.

[rothaer]

That's your error in thought. Pride was hardly ever a reason for it and thus a change won‘t cause a change.

If you interview childless Germans why they have no children a notable proportion state that there are enought people in the world. Obviously they see no mentionable peculiarity in their own kind. Such an attitude is incompatible with being pround of your own kind and people because then you would consider it a desiderate to procreate your own kind regardless how many foreign individuals there are in the world.

From this I deduce that the lack of pride is relevant. It doesn't apply to me so I can not refer to myself. I can just try to interpret the respective infertility of my compatriots. What part of my deduction do you consider wrong?

Beyond that the majority of Germans has managed to unite the unquenchable part of history called Holocaust with esteem for the own country and a national sentiment. That's no contradiction - only to AfD and nazis it is, sorry, I meant in your case 97% nazi.

This is a surprising statement considering that you know that to me there is no contradiction between the holocaust and my pride and my esteem for my country and people and I do unite all this perfectly. Is there anything of this that was unknown to you or what motivated your statement?

Precautionary: You can not say that you did not also mean me after you even expressly explained that you count me under your beloved "nazi" label and thus your preceding "AfD and nazis" statement applies also to me.

[rothaer]

Well at one point the direct offspring of that mixing was also then not German, how much generations have to pass them until you have to accept this person as German then? Merkel isnt even German according to your logic, as her father was a Germanized Polak.

Only one of her grandparents was Polak.

He was a police man of the Prussian state in the Posen province. There is a photo were he wears a uniform from Poles who fought against the German Empire (and Prussia) and for a Polish independency in the Posen province. Regardless of this he ended up in Berlin in Germany, continuing to be a Prussian police man.

My interpretation is that he was a disgusting Polish opportunist that preferred the German salary before being in his own shithole state that he in an anti-German manner acted for.

Btw. a not rare and unmasking attitude of many foreigners in Germany nowadays.