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Thread: Survey: Macedonians believe that Serbia is their Best Friend and Bulgaria their Greatest Enemy

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    Still Slavs are the majority.
    Do what you should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumata View Post
    Still Slavs are the majority.
    Passiveness of Serbian majority (50%+) made the conscious political Montenegrins and their Albanian and Muslim minority allies win the independence referendum for Montenegro in 2000s and this one is just a poll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Macedonians are a bit dorky simple guys like Moldovans but nice ones, most of them like Russia and if they know you're Russian you are a good guest. They're sincere, no trickery minded, like Ukrainians for example. Simple and plain af.
    Sounds nice. When I still watched football on TV, I watched some matches of their team when it was quite successful. I liked the relaxed style it had. I thought it was more Balkan than like something our teams usually played.
    Do what you should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    They have significant 25% of whole state populace Albanian minority. Orthodox Slavs are less than 60%. The rest are Turks, Albanians, Gypsies etc.
    On the last census in 2021.officially Orthodox Chiristians in N. Macedonia were 46% and Muslims 32%. Muslims will be probably majority in not so distant future if NM survive as country in present day form.
    Albanians in NM in reality have constitutiveness, they are not just ordinary numerous national minority. Albanians of NM are biologically more vital than Albanians from Kosovo and Albania. They are all Muslims and more religious than Kosovo and Albania Albanians. I heard Macedonian Albanians are most educated on average of all Albanians, they have the greatest influence and reputation in Albanian diaspora, and they pull the main strings in Albanian mafia.
    NM could dissapear in close future by being divided between Albania and Bulgaria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Passiveness of Serbian majority (50%+) made the conscious political Montenegrins and their Albanian and Muslim minority allies win the independence referendum for Montenegro in 2000s and this one is just a poll.
    What are you talking about? The parallel university?

    In reality (Census 2011):

    Montenegrians: 278,865 45.0%
    Serbs: 178,110 28.7%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jankec View Post
    What are you talking about? The parallel university?

    In reality (Census 2011):

    Montenegrians: 278,865 45.0%
    Serbs: 178,110 28.7%
    Most of the Orthodox population of Montenegro have double and fluid identity. Same person on the census could be declared Serb, for 10 years declared Montenegrin, for 20 again declared Serb and so on. Unofficially percentage of declared Serbs on the newest census is for 7-8% higher than in 2011, we will see. Montenegrin government 5 months don't want to publish ethnic composition of Montenegro, it is without doubt because number/percentage of declared Serbs is higher than they expected (too high for their taste). Percenrage of people which recognize own language as Serbian in Montenegro was even in 2011. higher than of those which recognize own language as Montenegrin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jankec View Post
    What are you talking about? The parallel university?

    In reality (Census 2011):

    Montenegrians: 278,865 45.0%
    Serbs: 178,110 28.7%
    Varda responded to you. Same with Ukrainians in lots of SE regions. Since Ukrainian turned from naive regionalism to political identity, lots of people in Donbass declared themselves Russian (having Ukrainian listed before) because they equal Ukrainian with those who were bombing shit out of them for eight years.

    I was changing ID recently, woman asked me, if I'm gonna list as Russian or Ukrainian? I could list as Ukrainian, but told, are you joking girl, Russian for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Varda responded to you. Same with Ukrainians in lots of SE regions. Since Ukrainian turned from naive regionalism to political identity, lots of people in Donbass declared themselves Russian (having Ukrainian listed before) because they equal Ukrainian with those who were bombing shit out of them for eight years.

    I was changing ID recently, woman asked me, if I'm gonna list as Russian or Ukrainian? I could list as Ukrainian, but told, are you joking girl, Russian for sure.
    In Montenegro is not rare than one brother is declared Serb and other is declared Montenegrin.
    Only in Cetinje and surrounding area (Katunska nahija) Montenegrin identity is very strong. In rest of Montenegro is different story. Nikšić and Podgorica for example as two biggest cities had significant less declared Montenegrins than Cetinje in 2011. It is possible that declared Serbs in Podgorica/Nikšić will be more numerous than declared Montenegrins in close or relatively close future. In Cetinje such thing is impossible. It's not coincidence that two most powerfull persons in Montenegro Milo Đukanović and Brano Mićunović which ruled on Montenegro 30 years like it is their private srate both originated from Cetinje area from the same tribe (Ozrinići). Milo was pro-western and anti-Serbian political dictator of Montenegro as you know, and Brano who died recently was big boss of Montenegrin mafia. According to some don Brano was more powerfull than Milo and he controled Milo in the name of western inteligences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Varda View Post
    In Montenegro is not rare than one brother is declared Serb and other is declared Montenegrin.
    Only in Cetinje and surrounding area (Katunska nahija) Montenegrin identity is very strong. In rest of Montenegro is different story. Nikšić and Podgorica for example as two biggest cities had significant less declared Montenegrins than Cetinje in 2011. It is possible that declared Serbs in Podgorica/Nikšić will be more numerous than declared Montenegrins in close or relatively close future. In Cetinje such thing is impossible. It's not coincidence that two most powerfull persons in Montenegro Milo Đukanović and Brano Mićunović which ruled on Montenegro 30 years like it is their private srate both originated from Cetinje area from the same tribe (Ozrinići). Milo was pro-western and anti-Serbian political dictator of Montenegro as you know, and Brano who died recently was big boss of Montenegrin mafia. According to some don Brano was more powerfull than Milo and he controled Milo in the name of western inteligences.
    Tattoo with the image of Brano Mićunović. What is written below was fully true. He was 'cappo di tutti capi' who had huge influence on Montenegrin politics over 30 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varda View Post
    On the last census in 2021.officially Orthodox Chiristians in N. Macedonia were 46% and Muslims 32%. Muslims will be probably majority in not so distant future if NM survive as country in present day form.
    Albanians in NM in reality have constitutiveness, they are not just ordinary numerous national minority. Albanians of NM are biologically more vital than Albanians from Kosovo and Albania. They are all Muslims and more religious than Kosovo and Albania Albanians. I heard Macedonian Albanians are most educated on average of all Albanians, they have the greatest influence and reputation in Albanian diaspora, and they pull the main strings in Albanian mafia.
    NM could dissapear in close future by being divided between Albania and Bulgaria.

    I guess the poll means nothing if they ask albanians or turks minority in North Macedonia.

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