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Thread: Survey: Macedonians believe that Serbia is their Best Friend and Bulgaria their Greatest Enemy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehan View Post
    I guess the poll means nothing if they ask albanians or turks minority in North Macedonia.
    Poll makes sense. Albanians wouldn't vote for Serbia as a friend to be honest. Glad Greece is low on both friends and enemies rankings.

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    A process that happens in N. Macedonia gradually is albanization of non-Albanian Muslims and macedonization of non-Macedonian Orthodoxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumata View Post
    It's funny if Macedonians found USA the "second best friend" and Russia the "second worst enemy". Not that I trusted any surveys of course...
    Those are opinions ethnic of Albanians, who are cca 25% of total population of North Macedonia.

    Vast majority of ethnic Macedonians considers Serbia as best friend.
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    Meanwhile, this poll says that only 2.5 percents feel most threatened by Albania+Kosovo... it looks veru low considering the situation.
    Do what you should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehan View Post
    I guess the poll means nothing if they ask albanians or turks minority in North Macedonia.
    Poll would mean nothing if they excluded people who make tens of percents of populace, it would be useless, it just shows the reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varda View Post
    On the last census in 2021.officially Orthodox Chiristians in N. Macedonia were 46% and Muslims 32%. Muslims will be probably majority in not so distant future if NM survive as country in present day form.
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    Christians (Orthodox) are actually 60% of total population.
    Some 13% said they are simply Christians, but it is well known there are no large Catholic and Protestant communities in N.Macedonia, that they are in fact Orthodox.

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    Of course, you and these Bulgars (or ''Macedonians'' as they like to call themselves) have the same history too of invading and occupying Albanian lands and then claiming to be the ''original population''. Let's take a look at some of your history here:

    By the mid-seventh century, Serbs (or Serb-led Slavs) were penetrating from the coastal lands of Montenegro into northern Albania. Major ports and towns such as Durres and Shkodra held out against them, but much of the countryside was Slavicized, and some Slav settlers moved up the valleys into the Malesi. By the ninth century, Slav-speaking people were an important element of the population in much of northern Albania, excluding the towns and the higher mountainous areas (especially the mountains in the eastern part of the Malesi, towards Kosovo). [8] Slav-speaking people lived in the lowlands of this area, gradually becoming a major component of the urban population too, until the end of the Middle Ages. [9]
    Obviously some Slavs did spread through all these areas sooner or later. But there is one intriguing line of argument to suggest that the Slav presence in Kosovo and the southernmost part of the Morava valley may have been quite weak in the first one or two centuries of Slav settlement. If Slavs had been evenly spread across this part of the Balkans, it would be hard to explain why such a clear linguistic division emerged between the Serbo-Croat language and the Bulgarian-Macedonian one. The scholar who first developed this argument also noted that, in the area dividing the early Serbs from the Bulgarians, many Latin place-names survived long enough to be adapted eventually into Slav ones, from Naissus (Nish), down through the Kosovo town of Lypenion (Lipljan) to Scupi (Skopje): this contrasts strongly with most of northern Serbia, Bosnia and the Dalmatian hinterland, where the old town names were completely swept aside. His conclusion was that the Latin-speaking population, far from withering away immediately, may actually have been strengthened here (and in a western strip of modern Bulgaria), its numbers swelled, no doubt, by refugees from further north. These Latin-speakers would have thus formed 'a wide border-zone between the Bulgarians and the Serbs'. [18]
    Finally, before turning to the most mysterious problem of all - the origin of the Albanians - it is worth looking once more at the pattern of settlement in the Kosovo area during the early Slav centuries. Kosovo did not fall within the Serb territory of Rascia, which was further to the north-west: the Serbian expansion into Kosovo began in earnest only in the late twelfth century.
    Only in the ninth century do we see the expansion of a strong Slav (or quasi-Slav) power into this region. Under a series of ambitious rulers, the Bulgarians - a Slav population which absorbed, linguistically and culturally, its ruling elite of Turkic Bulgars - pushed westwards across modern Macedonia and eastern Serbia, until by the 850s they had taken over Kosovo and were pressing on the borders of Rascia. Soon afterwards they took the western Macedonian town of Ohrid; having recently converted to Christianity, the Bulgar rulers helped to set up a bishopric in Ohrid, which thus became an important centre of Slav culture for the whole region. And at the same time the Bulgarians were pushing on into southern and central Albania, which became thoroughly settled by Bulgarian Slavs during the course of the following century. [19]

    Kosovo was to remain under Bulgarian or Macedonian rulers until 1014-18, when the army of the Macedonian-based Tsar Samuel died, his empire broke up, and Byzantine power was fully re-established by a strong and decisive Emperor, Basil 'the Bulgar-killer'. For nearly two centuries after that, Kosovo would stay under Byzantine rule. [20]

    https://macedonia.kroraina.com/en/nm/kosovo.html



    Seems like a national sport among your kind. Invasions, Ethnic cleansing etc etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lioncourt View Post
    Nobody cares about their identity today. Bulgarians just don't want North Macedonia to steal from Bulgarian history and to deny that majority of Macedonians identified as Bulgarian prior to 1945.
    That is incorrect LMAO………so why the need for a Bulgarian Exarchate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrCuriosity View Post
    North Macedonians are artificial nationality, just like Montenigrins who are Serbs and Moldovans who are really Romanians. If they ended up in Bulgaria, instead of Serbia after Balkan Wars or earlier, they would naturally identify as Bulgarian with no trouble and no one would even talk of them.
    Not sure about this comment? Northern Macedonians had their Chetniks who deeply disliked Bulgarians. You need to remember many powers favoured Bulgaria then and had their own interests.

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    Of course, you and these Bulgars (or ''Macedonians'' as they like to call themselves) have the same history too of invading and occupying Albanian lands and then claiming to be the ''original population''. Let's take a look at some of your history here:

    Red0, seriously, there wasn’t a single Albanian in Serbia (Todays Albania) prior to 1043AD! l like your signature, it gives me smile every time l see it (humorous)

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