People from Audomarois, Northern France

[Creoda]

To my eyes, plenty of NW French also pass flawlessly as English, Creoda. Why wouldn’t they when there is such a strong genetic overlap? That said, it is possible that the ‘Kelts’ who migrated across from France (most likely during the Anglo-Saxon consolidation of power) might have been from some isolated coastal parts, isolated enough that they Phenotypically differed from their neighbours. Considering the absence of an brachycephalic strain within the English population, it seems unlikely they were phenotypicallt indistinguishable to your modern-day NW Frenchman (who is largely of Alpine stock).

Yes, but not as groups, which I said. The similarity of these French Flemish to Southern English gives credence to the theory that the majority of Saxons (but not Angles) who went to England came from around this area, and were already mixed with Celts.

[Oliver109]

Yes, but not as groups, which I said. The similarity of these French Flemish to Southern English gives credence to the theory that the majority of Saxons (but not Angles) who went to England came from around this area, and were already mixed with Celts.

I would say it is the pre Saxon people, in England before the Saxons arrived it was Bell Beakers wasn't it? who made a large contribution to the gene pool.

[Creoda]

I would say it is the pre Saxon people, in England before the Saxons arrived it was Bell Beakers wasn't it? who made a large contribution to the gene pool.

Celto-Germanic mixture is the defining aspect that connects England to French Flanders, Bell Beaker ancestry is what connects them to Welsh/Scots.

[Oliver109]

Celto-Germanic mixture is the defining aspect that connects England to to French Flanders, Bell Beaker ancestry is what connects them to Welsh/Scots.

I think the Saxons came over from the Netherlands, there are not many Anglo Saxon or Nordic types in northern France anyway, the Celts i agree probably came over from north France.

[Watersater79]

I would say it is the pre Saxon people, in England before the Saxons arrived it was Bell Beakers wasn't it? who made a large contribution to the gene pool.

But the English don't overlap much with those from this area, but they do strongly with those from Lower Saxony....

[Watersater79]

Celto-Germanic mixture is the defining aspect that connects England to to French Flanders, Bell Beaker ancestry is what connects them to Welsh/Scots.

Once again, why wouldn't there be some phenotypical overlap to those in NW France?

[Oliver109]

But the English don't overlap much with those from this area, but they do strongly with those from Lower Saxony....

Thats right, southern and central Holland, West Germany is the closest phenotypically to England

[Creoda]

Once again, why wouldn't there be some phenotypical overlap to those in NW France?

I didn't say there wasn't phenotypical overlap, for individuals. I said groups from NW France rarely pass as English. The countless groups of Northern French that Oliver has posted, who look distinctly French, attest to that.

[Watersater79]

I didn't say there wasn't phenotypical overlap, for individuals. I said groups from NW France rarely pass as English. The countless groups of Northern French that Oliver has posted, who look distinctly French, attest to that.

Are we implying that the northern French segment that likely arrived in waves in England between (500-1000 AD) was markedly different to the modern population in the same area it originated. On a similar note, it is also interesting how, on average, the English look more similar to the Irish than the Dutch, even though are almost twice as genetically close to the latter.

[Creoda]

Are we implying that the northern French segment that likely arrived in waves in England between (500-1000 AD) was markedly different to the modern population in the same area it originated. On a similar note, it is also interesting how, on average, the English look more similar to the Irish than the Dutch, even though are almost twice as genetically close to the latter.

I'm not implying anything. We don't yet know from where and in what form this 'French' or Gaulish element came to England. But evidently they were less Alpinid and more 'Keltic' than the modern French.