Eye colour and Skin pigmentation in KPK and Punjab

[Avicenna]

Yes but usually not at such a disproportionate rate. It hints at a very strong sexual selection for it in males there. Not as much in KPK but stil +2x.

Which is strange because I've heard that lighter eyes is favoured in women than men . I've even heard that light eyed men ( among pashtuns) is a feminine trait. However, no idea about Punjab .

[Valenman]

Study is a complete farce 1 those levels of light eyes are almost higher than many countries in Southern Europe
2 I think that almost all of us here know immigrants from India or Pakistan. The question is, has anyone seen anyone with any eye color other than dark brown? At least hazel-brown? I really did, out of hundreds that I saw, maybe only 2- 3 at most, that is, it is more absurd than possible.

[Melkiirs]

This is what happens when we have pre conceived notions without actually looking into the statistics. If it helps, the majority( 67%) was light brown to dark brown in Punjab. So I'm assuming they looked what they were but a good chunk had colored eyes.

Other studies involving the classification of eye color based on detailed photographs found a much lower percentage of brown eyes than what would be found with traditional scaled observations. Much of eyes that may appear pure brown have a marginal lighter element if examined closely. A Spanish study (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19551689/) found only 28.3% brown eyes and a high 55.2% hazel-green. Even in the Catalan Pyrenees valleys under Santiago Alcobé pure brown eyes did not reach nearly this low. The deviation from previous scaled data is likely explained by near pure brown eyes being counted as dark hazel. Similar borderline shades may have also been counted as intermediate instead of pure brown here.

As for the blue in this study, it clearly included light mixed eyes as category B based on the example photographs. The 15% may thus be similar to 1a - 6 on the Martin-Schultz scale in which case is about twice that found in Kāfiristān in the Albert Herrlich study. Nuristanis being darker eyed than Punjabis in particular seems quite odd. Perhaps predominantly dark blue-brown eyes were counted differently.

[Petalpusher]

Other studies involving the classification of eye color based on detailed photographs found a much lower percentage of brown eyes than what would be found with traditional scaled observations. Much of eyes that may appear pure brown have a marginal lighter element if examined closely. A Spanish study (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19551689/) found only 28.3% brown eyes and a high 55.2% hazel-green. Even in the Catalan Pyrenees valleys under Santiago Alcobé pure brown eyes did not reach nearly this low. The deviation from previous scaled data is likely explained by near pure brown eyes being counted as dark hazel. Similar borderline shades may have also been counted as intermediate instead of pure brown here.

As for the blue in this study, it clearly included light mixed eyes as category B based on the example photographs. The 15% may thus be similar to 1a - 6 on the Martin-Schultz scale in which case is about twice that found in Kāfiristān in the Albert Herrlich study. Nuristanis being darker eyed than Punjabis in particular seems quite odd. Perhaps predominantly dark blue-brown eyes were counted differently.

I suspect a lot of the B on the verge here would be classified as intermediate elsewhere and not blue. I think this is what happens when you have to put things in a few boxes instead of relying on purely scaled datas with spectro and such.

[Valenman]

Other studies involving the classification of eye color based on detailed photographs found a much lower percentage of brown eyes than what would be found with traditional scaled observations. Much of eyes that may appear pure brown have a marginal lighter element if examined closely. A Spanish study (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19551689/) found only 28.3% brown eyes and a high 55.2% hazel-green. Even in the Catalan Pyrenees valleys under Santiago Alcobé pure brown eyes did not reach nearly this low. The deviation from previous scaled data is likely explained by near pure brown eyes being counted as dark hazel. Similar borderline shades may have also been counted as intermediate instead of pure brown here.

As for the blue in this study, it clearly included light mixed eyes as category B based on the example photographs. The 15% may thus be similar to 1a - 6 on the Martin-Schultz scale in which case is about twice that found in Kāfiristān in the Albert Herrlich study. Nuristanis being darker eyed than Punjabis in particular seems quite odd. Perhaps predominantly dark blue-brown eyes were counted differently.

I read this study and the intake was only 200 people, maybe that's why it is so low. In addition, they have also included light brown eyes, the real percentage would probably have to be higher.
Regarding the Punjabi study, it is completely impossible for obvious reasons that study would have some non-scientific reason, almost certainly because most people did not know any person of South Asian origin with eyes other than brown.

[Avicenna]

Other studies involving the classification of eye color based on detailed photographs found a much lower percentage of brown eyes than what would be found with traditional scaled observations. Much of eyes that may appear pure brown have a marginal lighter element if examined closely. A Spanish study (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19551689/) found only 28.3% brown eyes and a high 55.2% hazel-green. Even in the Catalan Pyrenees valleys under Santiago Alcobé pure brown eyes did not reach nearly this low. The deviation from previous scaled data is likely explained by near pure brown eyes being counted as dark hazel. Similar borderline shades may have also been counted as intermediate instead of pure brown here.

As for the blue in this study, it clearly included light mixed eyes as category B based on the example photographs. The 15% may thus be similar to 1a - 6 on the Martin-Schultz scale in which case is about twice that found in Kāfiristān in the Albert Herrlich study. Nuristanis being darker eyed than Punjabis in particular seems quite odd. Perhaps predominantly dark blue-brown eyes were counted differently.

Even light mixed would be much higher than what I thought for Punjabis, so even then it's still a mystery.

The categories were mentioned , even intermediate was labeled as green/hazel which we can all agree on, however light brown was categorised as brown.

[Oliver109]

Even light mixed would be much higher than what I thought for Punjabis, so even then it's still a mystery.

The categories were mentioned , even intermediate was labeled as green/hazel which we can all agree on, however light brown was categorised as brown.

I have known quite a few Punjabis, light eyes are not that uncommon and i worked with a fella who had blue-green eyes, i think Sikhs especially are quite distinct from other Indians and light eyes are not rare.

[Avicenna]

I read this study and the intake was only 200 people, maybe that's why it is so low. In addition, they have also included light brown eyes, the real percentage would probably have to be higher.
Regarding the Punjabi study, it is completely impossible for obvious reasons that study would have some non-scientific reason, almost certainly because most people did not know any person of South Asian origin with eyes other than brown.

Possibly the category for blue and light mixed have overlapped, and possibly the category for intermediate has overlapped with brown, another study focusing on Pashtuns from Swat district in KPK was Alot stricter when categorising "blue". For instance only 3 iris down below was classified as blue, the others were either brown ( like the first one ) and intermediate. Sample size was 267 individuals, blue was 9.4% and intermediate was 15%.

https://www.als-journal.com/739-20/



Another study looked at Malakand division in KPK, and again out of 150 Individuals, 39 had intermediate/blue. So 26%.

https://www.mdpi.com/article/10.3390...nes11041228/s1

[Valenman]

Possibly the category for blue and light mixed have overlapped, and possibly the category for intermediate has overlapped with brown, another study focusing on Pashtuns from Swat district in KPK was Alot stricter when categorising "blue". For instance only 3 iris down below was classified as blue, the others were either brown ( like the first one ) and intermediate. Sample size was 267 individuals, blue was 9.4% and intermediate was 15%.

https://www.als-journal.com/739-20/



Another study looked at Malakand division in KPK, and again out of 150 Individuals, 39 had intermediate/blue. So 26% .

https://www.mdpi.com/article/10.3390...nes11041228/s1

I had already read the second study before, and this one seems more real to me, since they only catch people in a certain mountainous area in the North of Pakistan where I do believe that there could be high percentages of people with light eyes, as it happens in the Kalash and many other isolated populations around the world

[Avicenna]

I had already read the second study before, and this one seems more real to me, since they only catch people in a certain mountainous area in the North of Pakistan where I do believe that there could be high percentages of people with light eyes, as it happens in the Kalash and many other isolated populations around the world

The study did not mention Kalash, Malakand division includes a number of district's, of which one district, Chitral, contains Kalashas and Khowars ( isolated extreme northern non pashtuns), and out of 20 individuals only one had intermediate eye colour. For comparison, Swat, which is predominantly pashtun and a more cosmopolitan region had 11 out of 20. Overall average was 26% though.

Point of the info above is that Pashtuns are not a isolated people, however in that study it was significantly more common among them than Chitral district, which is predominantly Khowars, who are more isolated .