Eye colour and Skin pigmentation in KPK and Punjab

[Avicenna]

Not really for some reason the said that C color is "green or light brown/green/hazel". So they counted light brown as what?

I think that means light brown+ hazel+ green , because they mentioned light to dark brown as D.

[Smeagol]

15% blue eyes in Punjab??? That is the same level as Turkey! Just LOL.

Those numbers can't be accurate. Coon wrote that The highest proportion of mixed and light eyes reported in Indians as a whole is 12 percent, found in one caste in Maratha. So no way that 15% of Punjabis have real blue eyes.

[Avicenna]

Those numbers can't be accurate. Coon wrote that The highest proportion of mixed and light eyes reported in Indians as a whole is 12 percent, found in one caste in Maratha. So no way that 15% of Punjabis have real blue eyes.

I have no problem with people disagreeing with the study, however there has to be a valid reason to discredit this specific academic study. For instance , they have made it clear which eye colours goes with which category as mentioned below :

"1: blue (equivalent to 1 and 2 in Fitzpatrick classification); 2: intermediate (equivalent to 3 in Fitzpatrick classification) where intermediate is combination of green, blue/green, brown/green pigments and 3: brown (equivalent to 4 and 5 in Fitzpatrick classification)."

They also mentioned this ;

"Eye and skin digital images were independently inspected by two different investigators under uniform environmental conditions. In order to avoid discrepancies, a further detailed analysis of all photographs was performed until consensus assignment of phenotype took place."

With all due respect, using Coon as the criterion against this study is quite distasteful. If anything we can use the studies aforementioned by myself.

Again, I'm not saying that people can't disagree, however there has to be a legit reason to discredit the study. Is there fault in the study? Etc

[Smeagol]

I have no problem with people disagreeing with the study, however there has to be a valid reason to discredit this specific academic study. For instance , they have made it clear which eye colours goes with which category as mentioned below :

"1: blue (equivalent to 1 and 2 in Fitzpatrick classification); 2: intermediate (equivalent to 3 in Fitzpatrick classification) where intermediate is combination of green, blue/green, brown/green pigments and 3: brown (equivalent to 4 and 5 in Fitzpatrick classification)."

They also mentioned this ;

"Eye and skin digital images were independently inspected by two different investigators under uniform environmental conditions. In order to avoid discrepancies, a further detailed analysis of all photographs was performed until consensus assignment of phenotype took place."

With all due respect, using Coon as the criterion against this study is quite distasteful. If anything we can use the studies aforementioned by myself.

I trust Coon's numbers more than these. I've never seen an Indian without dark brown eyes in person, so to suggest that over 50% of Indians are in fact mixed and light eyed and only 47% are brown eyed seems ridiculous.

[Melkiirs]

I trust Coon's numbers more than these. I've never seen an Indian without dark brown eyes in person, so to suggest that over 50% of Indians are in fact mixed and light eyed and only 47% are brown eyed seems ridiculous.

What ethnicity are the South Asians who encounter in Virginia? Are you sure they are also Punjabi?

[Avicenna]

I trust Coon's numbers more than these. I've never seen an Indian without dark brown eyes in person, so to suggest that over 50% of Indians are in fact mixed and light eyed and only 47% are brown eyed seems ridiculous.

The study is about Punjab Pakistan, not Indians. Majority of Indians in USA are no where near punjabis in Pakistan.

[Avicenna]

What ethnicity are the South Asians who encounter in Virginia? Are you sure they are also Punjabi?

Do you think emailing the authors would be beneficial? Maybe they could clarify the intermediate category or release the photos for each iris? I found the full dataset in excel format for the participants but no photographs .

[Ketchup]

Those numbers can't be accurate. Coon wrote that The highest proportion of mixed and light eyes reported in Indians as a whole is 12 percent, found in one caste in Maratha. So no way that 15% of Punjabis have real blue eyes.

tbh 15% is way too high even if it was a combination of green/blue and all that in one category. I'd believe it if was small, isolated and super closed off communities but as a whole no way.

Full disclosure I actually do know one Pakistani Punjabi guy personally who has green eyes but I know a ton of Punjabi Pakistanis and I'm going to be real as a whole there's no way 15% of them even have green eyes much less blue. Many of my childhood friends and acquaintances themselves are of this background so I've had a ton of exposure and I know.

I think the methodology in this study is faulty because it really doesn't add up for any of these groups really.

[Flashball]

C is medium beige skin, not "light brown", the fuck.

[Nurzat]

I see some keep on mentioning the Indians they see in their countries to compare with, but Khyber Pakhtunkhwa is not South Asian, it's southcentral Asian, bordering northern Afghanistan and Tajikistan.

btw, seeing travel vlogs from the area and from Gilgit-Baltistan I am not surprised by the findings of the study in the OP regarding Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. then about Punjab I don't know at the moment, I didn't look at that area at all but I've seen even dark(er) skinned NW Indians with blue and hazel eyes in some documentaries