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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmoLady View Post
    CIA-backed regime change, color revolution imminent in Georgia?

    A previous Georgian prime minister (Saakashvili) was a US stooge, US-educated and worked on Wall Street,
    and came to power in a CIA-backed color revolution.

    Saakashvili was corrupt and seemingly well-paid to provoke a disastrous war with Russia, similar to Zelensky.

    Saakashvili eventually fled Georgia and became Governor of Odessa in Ukraine despite no ties to Ukraine,
    after the Ukrainian government was violently overthrown in 2014. Saakashvili was protected by the Georgian Legion,
    whose members were involved in Euromaidan with US contractors and were the likely provocateurs/snipers firing on protestors.
    Georgian Legion leader Mamulashvili later visited Washington DC and was honoured by the US government.
    Legion members are one of the most numerous to die in Ukraine and they're considered criminals by law in Georgia. Georgians are smart enough to let them go to die in Ukraine, they cleanse own country from those who can destabilize Georgia in near future. Imagine all these hundreds of people alive now and being the vanguard of war mongering forces inside Georgia, throwing their country as a log to the fire.

    I hope in future when the whole region is stabilized, we will deal ok with Georgians with reintegrating Abkhazia (which we don't need) and dealing about Southern Ossetia. Georgia has no partners closer than Turkey and Russia, just logically, and seems like they understand it in their recent pragmatic years. They can prosper from their regional position.

    For now, they didn't impose any sanctions towards us and 1.China 2.Russia 3.Turkey being their main trade partners. Democracy is under threat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Legion members are one of the most numerous to die in Ukraine and they're considered criminals by law in Georgia. Georgians are smart enough to let them go to die in Ukraine, they cleanse own country from those who can destabilize Georgia in near future. Imagine all these hundreds of people alive now and being the vanguard of war mongering forces inside Georgia, throwing their country as a log to the fire.

    I hope in future when the whole region is stabilized, we will deal ok with Georgians with reintegrating Abkhazia (which we don't need) and dealing about Southern Ossetia. Georgia has no partners closer than Turkey and Russia, just logically, and seems like they understand it in their recent pragmatic years. They can prosper from their regional position.
    The Ukraine War was planned long in advance, Hillary Clinton was supposed to win and the Ukraine War was to start early.
    Trump thwarted these plans temporarily.

    US Senators Lindsey Graham and John McCain in Ukraine in 2016:

    "Your fight is our fight. 2017 will be the year of offense. All of us will go back to Washington and push the case against Russia."


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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmoLady View Post
    The Ukraine War was planned long in advance, Hillary Clinton was supposed to win and the Ukraine War was to start early.
    Trump thwarted these plans temporarily.
    Yes, it's a known fact. It gave us more time, especially in economical measures. If the war happened earlier, it would really damage us, while in 2022 lots of things were already ready for shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmoLady View Post
    I noticed that US media abruptly began speaking the truth about how badly the war was going after the "Ukraine Leaks".
    (which are highly suspicious, probably planted).

    Likewise the US media suddenly began speaking the truth about the Wuhan lab months after Biden was installed.

    The US regime is preparing the public for a loss, but still wants to waste as much money as possible in the meantime,
    because this kicks back to the politicians and the military-industrial complex and the security state.

    Although the US media may still try to spin the war as a Ukrainian victory even if Russia takes more territory.
    In Ukrainian media, some of them speak about "useless vatnik regions" and like "we can build prosperous European Ukraine in smaller state made of normal Ukrainians without Russian speaking subhumans" and other copium. Damn, you could do it without war going that far.

    They started to show Ukrainian soldiers who tell that locals in the SE are not very loyal, like they're often traitors, they uncover positions of Ukrainian objects to Russians etc. Like to give them idea there's no "united Ukrainian nation", and "bad people" are living in SE.

    But still some of them are in delusions that it's a war for Ukrainian statehood and sake of Ukrainian people, not a conflict of Russia and NATO proxy army made of Slavic cannon fodder.

    I won't lie about strict number, but there were like 48% or something of those who agree to lose territories in exchange for peace two months ago, in 2022 it was like 13%. Now it should be even more.

    I dunno how much left of those brain dead talking about "borders of 1991".

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    Georgian Prime Minister Irakli Kobakhidze reported that in a conversation with him, one of the European Commissioners intimidated him with an example of attempted murder of the Prime Minister of Slovakia.
    Last edited by Victor; 05-23-2024 at 03:33 PM.

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    The 35th, 36th and 37th brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were withdrawn from the Kherson region and transferred to the Kharkov direction.


    Their defending forces are being stretched and relocated more and more. New Sumy direction may have interesting impact. Plus who knows what's gonna be from the direction of Belorussia after Putin-Lukashenko meeting, there are Russian forces based there.

    As for the South, they're lucky to have Dnepr, surely no one will try to massively cross it. At the moment, Ukrainian forces in the South are minimal. But I think the main idea is grinding their manpower on other parts of frontline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmoLady View Post
    Meanwhile the West says that "only" 50,000 Russian soldiers have been killed
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-68819853

    50 000 is the number of identified russians soldiers killed in Ukraine. It's the absolut minimal number.
    The estimation are far higher.

    Take a look at the number of russians asking an invalidity pension, you will be surprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehan View Post
    50 000 is the number of identified russians soldiers killed in Ukraine. It's the absolut minimal number.
    The estimation are far higher.

    Take a look at the number of russians asking an invalidity pension, you will be surprise.
    It's 50000000 I guess. Invalidity? But the articile is reporting about killed ones, what does it have to do with people who lost leg(s) or similar?

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    There's more or less sane research of Lithuania-based anti war Russian source Meduza which says the number is around 75k (for Feb 2024) and around 30% of them being prison recruited ones, most of whom were killed during Bakhmut campaign.

    https://meduza.io/feature/2024/02/24...siyskih-soldat

    The comparison and analysis of the names of the dead Russian military with the data of the Registry of Hereditary Cases allows us to estimate the total number of people killed from the beginning of the war to the end of 2023 at 75 thousand people. This is not an exact number, but a statistical estimate, depending, among other things, on chance, that is, the most likely value is within a fairly wide range — from 66 to 88 thousand people. Our method does not allow us to "see" losses in recent months, however, if their rate remains the same as in the fourth quarter of 2023 (approximately 3,900 people per month), the total value for two years of war will be about 83 thousand people.

    Although the front line actually froze in 2023, the rate of losses not only did not decrease, but increased significantly. If in 2022 the number of deaths amounted to about 24 thousand people, then in 2023 it more than doubled, to almost 50 thousand. The losses reached their maximum values during the Battle of Bakhmut, in January —March 2023. According to our data, up to two thousand people per week died during this period, and most of them were former prisoners.

    Even after the peak of the Bakhmut operation, the rate of losses in 2023 still remained at a high level. It exceeded the losses of the first days of the war, when Russian troops tried to advance on Kiev and were defeated almost everywhere. Having captured Bakhmut, Russia went on the defensive. However, the reflection of the APU offensive on the "Surovikin line" — that is, on seemingly protected positions — also required great sacrifices from the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Probably, the increase in losses compared to 2022 is due to the fact that the number of troops at the front has increased significantly (if during the invasion it was estimated at 190 thousand along with the "people's militia of the DPR and LPR", now we are talking, apparently, about half a million people). The increased firepower of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which received Western weapons and ammunition, also affected the level of losses.

    Recently, starting from about October-November 2023, the rate of losses began to accelerate again. You can even name a more accurate period of the beginning of the growth of losses — the second week of October. It was then that the Russian offensive on Avdiivka began. Dozens of videos have been published depicting the defeat of more than a hundred Russian armored vehicles. Now we have discovered that it was accompanied by huge losses of manpower. As we will see later, the losses and the APU, which tried to defend Avdiivka, jumped sharply. As a result, they failed to do so. And the battle for the suburbs of Donetsk, in terms of losses on both sides, may well turn out to be the "second Bakhmut" (but not enough time has passed so far to assess the losses from the capture of Avdiivka more accurately).

    According to the affiliation of the dead to different units and groups of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, it is possible to clearly trace how the composition of the army and the methods of its recruitment changed. The invasion was launched by a regular Russian army of more than 100,000 people (plus the "people's militia" of Donbass), consisting of contractors and officers; they accounted for almost all the losses in the first months of the war. However, by the autumn —winter of 2022, this category in current losses was almost exhausted. Many were killed and injured, which led to their retirement from the service. A significant part of them broke their contracts: This was not prohibited until the fall of 2022.

    Once again, the share of "contractors" in losses began to prevail from the second half of 2023, when the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation were staffed with "volunteers". This is what the Russian authorities call those who have signed a contract with the Ministry of Defense in private. According to Putin, by the end of 2023, almost half a million such people had been recruited. The figure seems to be overstated, but the very fact of changing the recruitment method to "volunteer" is confirmed by loss statistics: now "new contractors" are the largest group of dead. In total, by the end of 2023, about 22 thousand regular military personnel (12.5 thousand "volunteers") died in the war.

    Since the summer of 2022, the proportion of former prisoners killed, as well as Wagner PMCs fighters, has begun to grow. Mercenaries — both recruited from prisons and volunteers — accounted for most of the Russian losses in the Battle of Bakhmut. On the loss charts, you can see how in the summer of 2023, the Wagnerians abruptly disappeared from the statistics - at the same time, the number of military personnel (primarily those "volunteers") increased again.

    As a result, former prisoners make up a very important share of Russian losses. In total, we can estimate their number at 20 thousand out of 75 thousand people. Prisoners differ from other groups in that they are much less likely to leave a legacy — and therefore less likely to enter the RND. This is not a problem for our counting method: we take into account similar differences between groups. What is more difficult to take into account is the number of prisoners among those approximately 20% of the dead, information about which does not allow us to determine their belonging to one or another group of the military. In our assessment, we proceed from the proportional distribution of groups among such cases, but this approach may not adequately reflect the realities.

    The retreats at Balakleya and Kherson in the autumn of 2022 forced the Russian leadership to urgently mobilize. The mobilized, many of whom were immediately thrown into support of the crumbling defense of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, already in the autumn and winter of 2022 took a significant share among the dead. On the graph, you can see the peak of losses among those mobilized on New Year's Eve 2022/2023 — then the AFU with HIMARS MLRS missiles struck the vocational school building in Makeyevka near Donetsk, where hundreds of newly conscripted military were stationed.

    As a result, the mobilized make up the third largest group among the dead (after military personnel and former prisoners) — their share reaches about 16 thousand of the same 75 thousand. Since October 2022, this indicator in total losses has been stable: on average, about 250 men forcibly sent to the front die every week.

    According to the graphs, we expect to see that the advancing troops are suffering greater losses than the defending ones. But this does not mean that to win the war of attrition, each of the opponents should prefer defense. The loss of territory, cities and important fortified areas negatively affects the psychological state of the troops and society of the belligerent country. And in the case of Ukraine, as we can see, failures undermine the support of the West, on which Kiev depends entirely.
    There's a QA section in the articile with this important note:

    More than 1 year ago the State Duma has passed a law allowing the missing serviceman to be recognized as dead in an accelerated and simplified manner — even if his body is never found.

    If tens of thousands of missing persons cases had accumulated during the war, after the adoption of the law, we should have expected a surge in court cases recognizing people as "missing" or immediately dead. But monitoring shows that there was no surge in 2023 (as well as in 2022, when the war was already underway, but the old laws on missing persons were still in force).
    Last edited by Victor; 05-24-2024 at 08:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehan View Post
    50 000 is the number of identified russians soldiers killed in Ukraine. It's the absolut minimal number.
    The estimation are far higher.

    Take a look at the number of russians asking an invalidity pension, you will be surprise.
    Then imagine the number of dead Ukrainians. Their death toll is amazingly high compared to that of Russians. Same for the number of disabled Ukrainians compared to Russians.

    I follow all this war in different serious you-tube channels, unlike you, who must only rely on what traditional mainstream media says, and maybe some frivolous twitter (now X) pro Ukrainian channel.

    I honestly don't know in what planet you live.
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