Visigothic impact in Iberia

[Jingle Bell]

Portugal is not 100% homogenous ,like Italy, in Algarve people looks diferent,alot of Arab/Berber dna

Italy its actually pretty heterogenous, the North is actually more closely related to Provence France or even Iberia than Sicily for example, but Portugal its one of the most homogenous countries in Europe, North and South are almost (if not) genetically identical, the vision that Algarve and Alentejo are "darker" is prob bcs South have a bigger solar incidence and also experiment a Mediterran climate, while North is more elevated and with a more Oceanic influence climate, u can check some results even here in TA, Damião for example is a Southern Portuguese member here that is more Northern shifted genetically than Ruderico that was from North if im not wrong, anyway their results in most g25 results that they posted here are pretty much similar.

[Blaise]

Italy its actually pretty heterogenous, the North is actually more closely related to Provence France or even Iberia than Sicily for example, but Portugal its one of the most homogenous countries in Europe, North and South are almost (if not) genetically identical, the vision that Algarve and Alentejo are "darker" is prob bcs South have a bigger solar incidence and also experiment a Mediterran climate, while North is more elevated and with a more Oceanic influence climate, u can check some results even here in TA, Damião for example is a Southern Portuguese member here that is more Northern shifted genetically than Ruderico that was from North if im not wrong, anyway their results in most g25 results that they posted here are pretty much similar.

its make sense

[Valenman]

People continue with the story of the Moorish South and the German-Celtic North, when the Iberian Peninsula is genetically divided more into East and West and the difference is not very big either. And the most NA shifted part is precisely Galicia and West of Leon, in the case of Spain at least

[Autrigón]

Visigothic impact is indeed strongest in western Iberia. Galicia and Portugal have more Germanic admixture than other parts of Iberian peninsula (some of it is Suebi though)

when we talk about germanics in Iberia people usually forget The Franks. These people played an important role throughout the Middle Age in iberia...not only in the Spanish March, but also in creation and support of the iberian christian kingdoms...continuous influx of settlers during the progressive repopulations of the new conquered lands, foundation of towns, surnames, vocabulary, etc.

I would say that their influence is higher by far than the Suebi.

[brunolord20]

interesting, because in some genetic tests such as humanitas, for example, some samples from Iberia seem to have a lot of similarity with Franks , some regions between north portugal and galicia Y germanic reach 12% but in the rest of Iberia it barely reaches 1 percent

[Jingle Bell]

when we talk about germanics in Iberia people usually forget The Franks. These people played an important role throughout the Middle Age in iberia...not only in the Spanish March, but also in creation and support of the iberian christian kingdoms...continuous influx of settlers during the progressive repopulations of the new conquered lands, foundation of towns, surnames, vocabulary, etc.

I would say that their influence is higher by far than the Suebi.

Yeah but their impact was more likely in areas of Aragonese/Catalan reconquistadores, i doubt that Franks had a big impact like in Portugal or Galiza

[brunolord20]

Yeah but their impact was more likely in areas of Aragonese/Catalan reconquistadores, i doubt that Franks had a big impact like in Portugal or Galiza

i also think that , too probably autosomal impact from franks will be in borders between spain and french

[Damião de Góis]

Portugal is not 100% homogenous ,like Italy, in Algarve people looks diferent,alot of Arab/Berber dna

Don't know where you got that from, but in terms of YDNA, the Algarve sample actually showed zero north african haplogroups and had the most R1b at 76%:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-DNA-variation

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

It's one of the regions of Europe with fewer germanic admix going by YDNA.

The Y-DNA map correlates with the Germanic toponyms in the Peninsula.

[Damião de Góis]

The Y-DNA map correlates with the Germanic toponyms in the Peninsula.

Both maps show that Visigoths were a mixed bunch, but the Suebi were fully germanic, which is well known. Also it shows frankish presence in Catalonia.

It also kind of matches with how the Suebi kingdom was at one point: