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    Quote Originally Posted by sofiagris View Post
    The percentages for the British islands are misinterpreted, it is true that among the English there are 51% blue and grey eyes, 21% brown eyes and 28% greenish eyes, but a large part of these hazel eyes are brown-green and not green. clear, so we cannot count 79% of light eyes since only half of the greenish ones are mixed eyes, therefore the percentage of light eyes is 66%. In the case of Ireland, blue and grey eyes make up 59%, brown eyes make up 13% and greenish eyes make up 28%, around half are green-brown, so the real percentage of blue eyes plus light green is 73%, very far from the light-eyed 85% of scandinavia
    Incorrect! It wasn't misinterpret but you misinterpreted it. For example in the 1936 study of the people of Finland which has been presented as having one of the lightest - eyed countries in the world. The lightest - eyed regions are in the south obviously, away from Lappland. Figures for the Satakunta province in the southwest are 85.5% for light eyes (blue, gray, yellowish and greenish included) and for the Tavastia province, it was 89.6% light eyes (blue, gray, yellowish and greenish). Thus I believe that you are biased. For pure blue eyes (Martin Scale 16), Scandinavia hovers around the 50% mark just like Ireland or Scotland. In fact, Ireland as a whole has more pure light eyes than the Scandinavian countries. While in Ireland it's more homogenous. For this reason, I see some bias here.
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    In Finland the percentage of blue and gray eyes is the highest in the world along with Estonia and Sweden 77%, brown eyes are 7% and greenish eyes make up 16% of which half are light green and the other half green-brown. or hazel, the sum of gray blues and light green is 85%, almost 20% greater than England and 12% greater than Ireland

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septentrion View Post
    Incorrect! It wasn't misinterpret but you misinterpreted it. For example in the 1936 study of the people of Finland which has been presented as having one of the lightest - eyed countries in the world. The lightest - eyed regions are in the south obviously, away from Lappland. Figures for the Satakunta province in the southwest are 85.5% for light eyes (blue, gray, yellowish and greenish included) and for the Tavastia province, it was 89.6% light eyes (blue, gray, yellowish and greenish). Thus I believe that you are biased. For pure blue eyes (Martin Scale 16), Scandinavia hovers around the 50% mark just like Ireland or Scotland. In fact, Ireland as a whole has more pure light eyes than the Scandinavian countries. While in Ireland it's more homogenous. For this reason, I see some bias here.
    Combining light greyish, blue-grey, and pure blue eyes Irish are significantly less pure light eyed than Norwegians. You would be hard pressed to find British Isles populations with 60%+ pure light eyes. I acknowledge that Irish with pure light eyes are mostly pure blue (Martin #15-16) while Norwegians are mostly light greyish to blue-grey (Martin #12-14). Light grey through pure blue are not generally distinguished by melanin concentration so the fact that Scandinavians tend to have more greyish eyes does not change that they are lighter eyed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sofiagris View Post
    In Finland the percentage of blue and gray eyes is the highest in the world along with Estonia and Sweden 77%, brown eyes are 7% and greenish eyes make up 16% of which half are light green and the other half green-brown. or hazel, the sum of gray blues and light green is 85%, almost 20% greater than England and 12% greater than Ireland
    I’ll say it in another way. Yes, I’m not disagreeing that both Finland and Estonia are well among the lightest - eyed nations in Europe and the world. In the terms of pure blue eyes (“true blue”), they reach their maxima in Ireland firstly and then Scandinavia. While pure gray or grayish eyes reach their maxima in Finland, Estonia, the rest of the Baltic States and the northwestern part of European Russia. Actually the most common eye colour in Northeastern Europe is a bluish - gray not pure blue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sofiagris View Post
    In Finland the percentage of blue and gray eyes is the highest in the world along with Estonia and Sweden 77%, brown eyes are 7% and greenish eyes make up 16% of which half are light green and the other half green-brown. or hazel, the sum of gray blues and light green is 85%, almost 20% greater than England and 12% greater than Ireland
    It is even more according to Finnish surveys in their provinces. Martin pure light (13-16 colors) have range: 83,8% - 95,2% among men. But this last one is subregion of Varsinais, the Turunmaa island (Aboland). The 83,8 is Karjala. I excluded North Ostrobotnia and Lappland as admixed with Lapps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas View Post
    It is even more according to Finnish survyeys in their provinces. Martin pure light (13-16 colors) have range: 83,8% - 95,2% among men. But this last one is subregion of Varsinais, the Turunmaa island (Aboland). The 83,8 is Karjala. I excluded North Ostrobotnia and Lappland as admixed with Lapps.
    Karin Mark found 69% Bunak #9-12 among Finns which is supposed to be equivalent to Martin #12-16. Was she more rigorous than other sources? You have any ideas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melkiirs View Post
    Combining light greyish, blue-grey, and pure blue eyes Irish are significantly less pure light eyed than Norwegians. You would be hard pressed to find British Isles populations with 60%+ pure light eyes. I acknowledge that Irish with pure light eyes are mostly pure blue (Martin #15-16) while Norwegians are mostly light greyish to blue-grey (Martin #12-14). Light grey through pure blue are not generally distinguished by melanin concentration so the fact that Scandinavians tend to have more greyish eyes does not change that they are lighter eyed.
    To give you a proper answer, I want to establish facts. Note that, the Norwegians, Swedes, Danes, Finnish, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, North-West Russians are as a whole the blondest-haired populations in Europe and the world. Obviously naturally they are also bluer-eyed and lighter-eyed than most European populations with the exception of the Irish. Despite being generally darker-haired as a whole than most of these populations, the Irish have a higher ratio of pure blue eyes. When combining pure blue eyes, blue - mixed eyes, gray or gray - blue eyes, this amounts to 90.7% for light or light - mixed eyes and less than 0.5% have pure dark eyes, while the rest of dark eyes are almost exclusively dark - mixed. Making the Irish the bluest and lightest - eyed. This is why, it has been said that "the most remarkable anthropological phenomenon of this island is eye colour" or "a world's extreme ratio of light eyes". For example out of 10,000 persons surveyed from all walks of life, anthropologists found that only 43 had pure brown eyes.
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    Bullshit meter in this thread is off the charts. These are the Slovenians:



    About the same level of "lightness" as the ethnic French I saw in the villages near Toulouse. Central-Southern European look for the most part...

    The percentage of light eyes in Serbia, Bosnia and Romania are identical at 42%.
    Anthropologists measured it at 13%, while in Bosnia it's at 18% (or something). France is 42%

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    In Serbia, blue and gray eyes make up 26% and brown eyes make up 43%, with greenish eyes making up 31%. half of these are light green and the rest green brown, the sum of blues and grays 26% plus 16% light green represents 42% light eyes, a percentage similar to that of Bosnia and Romania.

    In France, blue and gray eyes make up 34%, brown eyes 36% and greenish eyes 30%, of which half are light green, therefore blue and gray eyes make up 34% plus 15% light green, adding up to 49% light eyes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melkiirs View Post
    Combining light greyish, blue-grey, and pure blue eyes Irish are significantly less pure light eyed than Norwegians. You would be hard pressed to find British Isles populations with 60%+ pure light eyes. I acknowledge that Irish with pure light eyes are mostly pure blue (Martin #15-16) while Norwegians are mostly light greyish to blue-grey (Martin #12-14). Light grey through pure blue are not generally distinguished by melanin concentration so the fact that Scandinavians tend to have more greyish eyes does not change that they are lighter eyed.
    According to G. Retzius, the eye colour of the Swedish people is 47.4% blue, 19.6% gray, 28.8% mixed and 4.5% brown. We can see most Swedish eye colours are not pure light rather light or light-mixed.

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