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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnson Reed View Post
    Southern Italians have a lot of MENA blood too, Jews have MENA from mixing with Southern Italians
    Too bad we dont have any more Italians from the South to see and comment such claims...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinervaItalica View Post
    Too bad we dont have any more Italians from the South to see and comment such claims...
    It's objectively true. You're from the North, why do you even care?


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    We have yet to discover how much of that Levantine is legit Israelite though. xPhoencian, xAmorite, xMoabite… the real stat could be much much lower than that. I remember the 70% Levantine stat going around in the past.. then it was changed to 50% Levantine. Then, as for now, 20% Levantine. It’s important to remember to that Samaritans aren’t fully Israelite themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by libal View Post
    We have yet to discover how much of that Levantine is legit Israelite though. xPhoencian, xAmorite, xMoabite… the real stat could be much much lower than that. I remember the 70% Levantine stat going around in the past.. then it was changed to 50% Levantine. Then, as for now, 20% Levantine. It’s important to remember to that Samaritans aren’t fully Israelite themselves.
    What else are Samaritans mixed with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnson Reed View Post
    What else are Samaritans mixed with?
    Target: Samaritan

    Distance: 1.3647% / 0.01364671

    81.0 South_Levant_BA

    11.2 Mesopotamia_BA

    4.4 Tajik_Yaghnobi

    3.4 Italy_Imperial.SG

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    Quote Originally Posted by libal View Post
    Target: Samaritan

    Distance: 1.3647% / 0.01364671

    81.0 South_Levant_BA

    11.2 Mesopotamia_BA

    4.4 Tajik_Yaghnobi

    3.4 Italy_Imperial.SG
    Mesopotamian I can understand, but why the Turkic and Imperial Roman?

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    Resultados askenazis de papá en FTDNA:

    Medio Oriente y África del Norte
    <1%
    África del Norte
    Magreb y Egipto
    <1%
    Oriente Medio
    Anatolia, Armenia y Mesopotamia
    <1%
    I remember it was great when I saw Mesopotamia in my father's genetic results, it was lucky to test him in FTDNA and the result of an Italian ancestor in 23andMe, which could well be some European Jew that 23andMe confuses with Italian, we will see later, Mesopotamians are the descendants of our Ashkenazi ancestors who arrived in Spain in relatively modern times through Y DNA, it is also fortunate that the rest of Europe has a thousand times more haplogroups E than Spain, where except perhaps the E-M81 most of them have come to us through other European countries.
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY7449/
    E-V22 - E-BY7449 - E-BY7566 - E-FT155550
    According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnson Reed View Post
    Southern Italians have a lot of MENA blood too, Jews have MENA from mixing with Southern Italians in addition to their original Israelite MENA. Surprised that this guy is almost 59% MENA, that's very high for an Ashkenazi.
    Yes, his East Med is very high, usually Eastern European Ashkenazim score 33-38 percent. However, the Rothschilds are a German Jewish family originally, I don't know how much they have mixed with Jews from Eastern Europe as well as non-Jews since then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnson Reed View Post
    It's objectively true. You're from the North, why do you even care?

    I dont (coz it is bullshit anyway) but It is my country you talking about so when someone spout shit either from North or South i actually care. If you go South Italy telling them they have "MENA blood" they beat you at best.

    Do u seriously think i trust some random chart online that can be manipulated?
    They are not trustable nor representative and i dont give a shit unless approved by Italian scolars as well.

    I only trust history facts not these datas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MinervaItalica View Post
    I dont (coz it is bullshit anyway) but It is my country you talking about so when someone spout shit either from North or South i actually care. If you go South Italy telling them they have "MENA blood" they beat you at best.

    Do u seriously think i trust some random chart online that can be manipulated?
    They are not trustable nor representative and i dont give a shit unless approved by Italian scolars as well.

    I only trust history facts not these datas.
    Italy is not exactly an understudied country. In fact, it's the opposite. There have been international studies on Italian genetics and you can find a myriad of individual Italians who have taken DNA tests themselves. Sure you're never gonna have 60 million people tested but the amount of data we have right now is more than enough to come to certain conclusions. Why resist the facts? I can tell you that as a Russian I too once had to change my view of my people's origin when I started to learn more about our genetics and my own ancestry. Some deep-seated misconceptions had to be cast aside, some new facts had to be acknowledged instead. It's not like my whole world was shattered though.

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