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    Default 800BC- 600BC model- Rise of Scythians

    Next period, this time from 800BC to 600BC.
    We are finally reaching the Scythian Age and there will be a lot going on in Eastern Europe.



    We still have an arechological gap in Scandinavia and most of CE. The only Danish sample is of low quality but quite interesting.



    Denmark_BA before 800 BC>
    Target: Denmark_BA:RISE276__BC_662__Cov_7.87%
    Distance: 4.3150% / 0.04314970 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    60.2 England_LBA
    17.0 France_GrandEst_LBA
    11.2 Estonia_BA.SG
    7.4 Armenia_Bagheri_Tchala_EIA
    2.0 Japan_Nagabaka_2800BP
    1.8 Armenia_LBA.SG
    0.4 Ukraine_Volyn_Lusatian_EIA

    between 1600-1400BC
    Target: Denmark_BA:RISE276__BC_662__Cov_7.87%
    Distance: 3.8187% / 0.03818735 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    39.6 Scotland_Orkney_MBA.SG
    29.4 Croatia_MLBA
    20.8 Russia_MLBA_Krasnoyarsk
    10.2 Poland_Trzciniec_MBA




    Interestingly, the current Germanic people are not very similar to the Danish sample and correlate with more distant populations.


    Distance to: Swedish
    0.03284402 Slovakia_IA_Vekerzug:I12106__BC_664__Cov_55.91%
    0.03727704 Slovakia_IA_Vekerzug:I11719__BC_626__Cov_54.31%
    0.03764997 England_EIA:I13682__BC_662__Cov_63.26%
    0.03912739 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt:I16326__BC_675__Cov_42.35%
    0.04001789 England_EIA:I13688__BC_639__Cov_58.09%
    0.04021361 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA:UKR111__ BC_657__Cov_41.62%
    0.04026519 Hungary_EIA_o3:I25525__BC_600__Cov_68.20%
    0.04071566 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR04 2__BC_660__Cov_16.42%
    0.04152593 England_EIA:I19287__BC_620__Cov_38.19%
    0.04190399 England_EIA:I17260__BC_600__Cov_57.29%
    0.04228379 England_EIA:I16618__BC_654__Cov_36.01%
    0.04239171 England_EIA:I19861__BC_647__Cov_58.85%
    0.04412038 England_EIA:I19868__BC_629__Cov_49.59%
    0.04536849 England_EIA:I19862__BC_621__Cov_57.07%
    0.04550280 Slovenia_EIA:I5690__BC_624__Cov_82.13%
    0.04551320 England_EIA:C10462__BC_750__Cov_31.38%
    0.04633005 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR03 5AB__BC_650__Cov_81.80%
    0.04730541 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR04 3__BC_650__Cov_32.42%
    0.04920865 England_EIA:I27382__BC_642__Cov_73.86%
    0.05013803 Ukraine_Scythian.SG:scy009_noUDG.SG__BC_618__Cov_6 9.53%
    0.05050130 England_EIA:I20585__BC_600__Cov_64.38%
    0.05102799 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR04 4__BC_650__Cov_36.39%
    0.05103517 England_EIA:I12783__BC_649__Cov_61.15%
    0.05105098 Montenegro_IA:I13170_v54.1_addback__BC_600__Cov_66 .37%
    0.05135111 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt:I16327__BC_642__Cov_42.02%

    Target: Swedish
    Distance: 1.5825% / 0.01582471 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    41.6 Slovakia_IA_Vekerzug
    26.0 England_EIA
    13.0 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA
    11.8 England_Derbyshire_IA.SG
    7.6 Ukraine_Srubnaya_MLBA

    Target: German_Hamburg
    Distance: 0.8595% / 0.00859458 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    27.4 England_EIA
    19.4 Slovakia_IA_Vekerzug
    19.0 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA
    15.4 Slovenia_EIA
    10.2 Denmark_BA
    8.6 Hungary_EIA_o3

    I would rather explain the proximity to the Scythian samples so far by the lack of a local sample base.
    It is quite possible that the Germanics actually come partly from Trzciniec, or rather the proto-Germano-Slavic population that we have already seen near Tollensee.


    It is worth paying attention to who these Scythians were before 800 BC.


    Distance to: Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA:UKR111__ BC_657__Cov_41.62%
    0.04713914 England_LBA_lowEEF:I5383__BC_995__Cov_24.36%
    0.05159140 Italy_Tarquinia_IA:ITTQ11__BC_810__Cov_67.75%
    0.05182990 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I16549__BC_918__Cov_45.51%
    0.05227373 England_LBA:I14864__BC_889__Cov_64.97%
    0.05273528 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I20526__BC_900__Cov_17.62%
    0.05444538 Scotland_LBA:I2861__BC_893__Cov_53.76%
    0.05497588 Ukraine_Volyn_Lusatian_EIA:UKR168__BC_850__Cov_57. 47%
    0.05520032 England_LBA:I14358__BC_858__Cov_62.54%
    0.05699525 England_LBA:I16469__BC_995__Cov_31.65%
    0.05764161 Ukraine_Odesa_ThracianHallstatt_2_EIA:UKR000__BC_8 50__Cov_68.51%
    0.05809031 Scotland_LBA:I2860__BC_874__Cov_70.84%
    0.05908766 England_LBA:I14377__BC_939__Cov_67.64%
    0.05912873 England_LBA:I14379__BC_851__Cov_57.31%
    0.05922461 England_LBA:I12614__BC_950__Cov_11.87%
    0.05946585 England_LBA:I14862__BC_884__Cov_71.32%
    0.05966404 England_LBA_lowEEF:I13711__BC_978__Cov_72.69%
    0.06033422 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz_low_res:I14481__BC_884__Cov_7.5 6%
    0.06129395 Scotland_LBA:I2859__BC_860__Cov_69.03%
    0.06225508 Slovenia_LBA:I5697__BC_849__Cov_80.12%
    0.06334214 England_LBA_highEEF:I14865__BC_873__Cov_20.93%
    0.06346310 Hungary_LBA_Kyjatice.SG:BR2_noUDG.SG__BC_908__Cov_ 99.97%
    0.06518097 Hungary_LBA:I25505__BC_961__Cov_39.03%
    0.06548917 England_LBA:I12624__BC_850__Cov_21.40%
    0.06577430 Hungary_LBA_Kyjatice:I1504__BC_908__Cov_58.62%
    0.06613753 Scotland_LBA:I3130__BC_894__Cov_70.53%


    Target: Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA:UKR111__ BC_657__Cov_41.62%
    Distance: 3.1858% / 0.03185792 | ADC: 2x RC
    49.2 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz
    44.8 Ukraine_Volyn_Lusatian_EIA

    4.2 England_LBA
    1.8 Italy_Tarquinia_IA

    and between 1400-1600BC
    Target: Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA:UKR111__ BC_657__Cov_41.62%
    Distance: 2.6161% / 0.02616051 | ADC: 1x RC
    57.8 Poland_Trzciniec_MBA
    24.0 Croatia_MLBA
    16.8 England_MBA
    1.4 Denmark_BA_Bybjerg


    between 1800-2000BC
    Target: Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA:UKR111__ BC_657__Cov_41.62%
    Distance: 3.1976% / 0.03197627 | ADC: 1x RC
    74.8 Czechia_EBA_Unetice
    25.2 Hungary_Fuzesabony_MBA


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    Ancient samples in chronological order
    Please note, If contaminated or low coverage samples appear in the results, they can/should be removed.



    Apart from no ADC variant, it's also worth using distance reduction 0.25x and 0.5x to avoid artificial atomization of the results.



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    Unfortunately, we do not have any samples from Belarus, Lithuania and Poland so we can only speculate based on neighboring samples where cremation was not practiced.
    Anyway, during this period, we already have samples from Estonia, Latvia and Ukraine. So let's see what the results are like for the current Balts and Slavs.
    Interestingly, the correlation to Scythian samples is much higher than to Baltic ones. However, it is worth remembering that these Scythians are local populations, derived from the same populations.


    Distance to: Belarusian
    0.03010288 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_NomEl_3_EIA:UKR116 __BC_645__Cov_46.54%
    0.04064186 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR04 4__BC_650__Cov_36.39%
    0.04197999 Slovakia_IA_Vekerzug:I12106__BC_664__Cov_55.91%
    0.04226400 Hungary_EIA_o3:I25525__BC_600__Cov_68.20%
    0.04237368 Montenegro_IA:I13170_v54.1_addback__BC_600__Cov_66 .37%
    0.04531342 Ukraine_Scythian.SG:scy009_noUDG.SG__BC_618__Cov_6 9.53%
    0.04586983 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR03 5AB__BC_650__Cov_81.80%
    0.04664364 Slovakia_IA_Vekerzug:I11719__BC_626__Cov_54.31%
    0.04868907 Italy_Sicily_Himera_480BCE_3:I10943__BC_640__Cov_5 9.11%
    0.05173498 Ukraine_Scythian:MJ14__BC_643__Cov_8.13%
    0.05175684 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA:UKR111__ BC_657__Cov_41.62%
    0.06097758 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR04 2__BC_660__Cov_16.42%
    0.06273493 Estonia_IA.SG:s19_V10_2_noUDG.SG__BC_623__Cov_23.8 6%
    0.06392835 Latvia_BA:Kivutkalns42__BC_747__Cov_51.35%
    0.06411438 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt:I16326__BC_675__Cov_42.35%
    0.06486556 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR04 3__BC_650__Cov_32.42%
    0.06882132 Latvia_BA:Kivutkalns25__BC_687__Cov_59.86%
    0.06976736 Latvia_BA:Kivutkalns215__BC_609__Cov_74.70%
    0.07296201 Latvia_BA:Kivutkalns153__BC_683__Cov_21.49%
    0.07372688 Estonia_BA.SG:s19_X14_1_noUDG.SG__BC_630__Cov_18.5 4%
    0.07423099 Ukraine_Scythian.SG:scy010_noUDG.SG__BC_656__Cov_2 7.35%
    0.07509131 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt:I16088__BC_643__Cov_34.39%
    0.07537624 Estonia_IA.SG:s19_0LS10_1_noUDG.SG__BC_659__Cov_20 .33%
    0.07761848 Latvia_BA:Kivutkalns209__BC_666__Cov_70.92%
    0.07784228 England_EIA:I19861__BC_647__Cov_58.85%


    Target: Belarusian
    Distance: 1.4911% / 0.01491086 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    32.6 Latvia_BA
    28.4 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA
    11.6 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_NomEl_3_EIA
    11.0 Ukraine_Scythian
    10.6 Montenegro_IA
    5.8 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA

    Target: PolishL_Mazovia1
    Distance: 2.1831% / 0.02183088 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    41.4 Ukraine_Scythian
    34.8 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_NomEl_3_EIA
    10.0 Ukraine_Srubnaya_MLBA
    8.6 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA

    5.2 Netherlands_EIA_low_res

    Target: Ukrainian_Rivne
    Distance: 1.5658% / 0.01565758 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    30.4 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA
    26.2 Montenegro_IA
    17.2 Latvia_BA
    14.0 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_NomEl_3_EIA
    12.2 Ukraine_Scythian



    Target: Lithuanian
    Distance: 1.7625% / 0.01762506 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    39.6 Latvia_BA
    28.4 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_NomEl_3_EIA
    19.4 Ukraine_Scythian.SG
    12.6 Ukraine_Scythian

    Target: Latvian
    Distance: 1.3321% / 0.01332064 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    35.4 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_NomEl_3_EIA
    33.8 Latvia_BA
    15.0 Italy_Sicily_Himera_480BCE_3
    8.4 Estonia_IA.SG
    7.4 Estonia_BA.SG


    We already know sample Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2, so let's take a look at who the second popular Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_NomEl_3 was.

    before 800BC
    Target: Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_NomEl_3_EIA:UKR116 __BC_645__Cov_46.54%
    Distance: 2.1171% / 0.02117063 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    56.6 Lithuania_BA
    22.6 Ukraine_Volyn_Lusatian_EIA
    10.8 Ukraine_VertebaCave_BellBeaker
    7.6 Armenia_LBA.SG
    1.4 Hungary_LBA
    1.0 England_LBA


    between 1600-1400BC
    Target: Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_NomEl_3_EIA:UKR116 __BC_645__Cov_46.54%
    Distance: 1.8097% / 0.01809730
    76.6 Poland_Trzciniec_MBA
    15.8 Ukraine_Komarów_MBA
    7.0 Armenia_MBA_o
    0.6 Greece_Crete_LBA

    Here we can speculate with high probability that Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2 was a Slav with a slight Caucasian admixture.




    To be sure, let's check what Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR03 5AB looked like between 1000-800BC

    Target: Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR03 5AB__BC_650__Cov_81.80%
    Distance: 1.1059% / 0.01105906
    27.8 Estonia_BA.SG
    16.0 France_GrandEst_LBA.SG
    12.4 Lithuania_BA
    11.4 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz
    10.4 England_LBA
    7.8 Armenia_Bagheri_Tchala_EIA
    6.4 Macedonia_IA
    5.0 Italy_Sicily_IA
    1.4 Ukraine_Odesa_ThracianHallstatt_2_EIA
    0.8 China_Henan_Western_Zhou_Dynasty
    0.6 France_GrandEst_LBA

    between 1600-1400BC

    Target: Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR03 5AB__BC_650__Cov_81.80%
    Distance: 1.1208% / 0.01120830
    71.0 Poland_Trzciniec_MBA
    24.8 Greece_BA_Mycenaean
    1.8 Spain_EBA
    0.8 China_WLR_LN_o
    0.8 Greece_Crete_LBA
    0.8 Ukraine_Komarów_MBA

    and between 2600-2400 BC
    Target: Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR03 5AB__BC_650__Cov_81.80%
    Distance: 1.9953% / 0.01995263
    27.2 Poland_CordedWare_1.SG
    26.8 Hungary_EBA_BellBeaker
    19.0 Russia_Fatyanovo_Yaroslavl_BA
    13.6 Greece_Perachora_BA
    5.6 Russia_Fatyanovo_Ivanovo_BA
    3.8 Moldova_MBA_Catacomb
    2.8 Sweden_Vasterbjers_PWC_BAC
    0.8 China_SEastAsia_Coastal_LN
    0.4 Ethiopia_4500BP

    If I were to speculate, I would say that it is a local type from Central Europe that absorbed local elements somewhere in Greek colonies on the Black Sea coast. He does not correlate much with Central Asia.

    It is worth noting that the Lusatian Culture probably disappeared as a result of the Scythian invasion. The stronghold in Biskupin was deserted with no traces of corpses, but Scythian arrowheads were found.


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    Distance: 0.5721% / 0.00572055 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    23.2 Slovenia_EIA
    21.6 England_EIA
    15.8 England_EIA_low_res
    10.0 Netherlands_EIA_low_res
    9.0 Slovakia_IA_Vekerzug
    5.8 England_Derbyshire_IA.SG
    4.6 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt_low_res
    3.6 Hungary_EIA_o3
    3.2 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA
    3.2 Ukraine_Srubnaya_MLBA

    Distance: 0.7877% / 0.00787723 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    36.8 England_EIA
    28.2 Slovenia_EIA
    9.2 Slovakia_IA_Vekerzug
    9.0 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt_low_res
    6.8 England_EIA_low_res
    5.2 Netherlands_EIA_low_res
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    Distance to: CDG_scaled
    0.03326825 England_EIA:I17260__BC_600__Cov_57.29%
    0.03403322 England_EIA:I13682__BC_662__Cov_63.26%
    0.03445602 England_EIA:I13688__BC_639__Cov_58.09%
    0.03574830 England_EIA:I27382__BC_642__Cov_73.86%
    0.03623213 Slovenia_EIA:I5690__BC_624__Cov_82.13%
    0.03793471 England_EIA:I16618__BC_654__Cov_36.01%
    0.03888540 England_EIA:I19862__BC_621__Cov_57.07%
    0.03902530 England_EIA:I19287__BC_620__Cov_38.19%
    0.04155568 England_EIA:C10462__BC_750__Cov_31.38%
    0.04210434 England_EIA:I12783__BC_649__Cov_61.15%
    0.04380158 England_EIA:I19861__BC_647__Cov_58.85%
    0.04500766 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt:I16327__BC_642__Cov_42.02%
    0.04502550 England_EIA:I19868__BC_629__Cov_49.59%
    0.04554829 England_EIA_low_res:I16617__BC_641__Cov_7.16%
    0.04805694 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt:I14983__BC_675__Cov_54.98%
    0.04827486 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt:I16088__BC_643__Cov_34.39%
    0.04844206 England_EIA:I20585__BC_600__Cov_64.38%
    0.04861635 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt:I16326__BC_675__Cov_42.35%
    0.05036455 Slovakia_IA_Vekerzug:I12106__BC_664__Cov_55.91%
    0.05043476 England_EIA_highEEF:I19867__BC_648__Cov_60.89%
    0.05213826 Hungary_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18211__BC_775__C ov_65.63%
    0.05235287 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt:I15071__BC_675__Cov_27.87%
    0.05273013 Germany_West-Hallstattkreis_EIA:MBG017__BC_616__Cov_73.49%
    0.05282427 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt_low_res:I17607__BC_675__Cov_7 .99%
    0.05485453 Slovakia_IA_Vekerzug:I11719__BC_626__Cov_54.31%

    Target: CDG_scaled
    Distance: 1.6201% / 0.01620090
    24.6 England_EIA:I27382__BC_642__Cov_73.86%
    17.6 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt_low_res:I17607__BC_675__Cov_7 .99%
    13.8 Slovenia_EIA:I5690__BC_624__Cov_82.13%
    12.2 Netherlands_EIA_low_res:I12903__BC_650__Cov_6.55%
    10.0 England_EIA_low_res:I14743_d__BC_644__Cov_5.63%
    8.0 Germany_West-Hallstattkreis_EIA:MBG017__BC_616__Cov_73.49%
    5.8 Slovakia_IA_Vekerzug:I12106__BC_664__Cov_55.91%
    5.8 England_EIA_low_res:I12610__BC_636__Cov_5.91%
    2.2 Denmark_BA:RISE276__BC_662__Cov_7.87%

    Target: CDG_scaled
    Distance: 1.6349% / 0.01634895 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    29.8 England_EIA:I27382__BC_642__Cov_73.86%
    20.4 Slovenia_EIA:I5690__BC_624__Cov_82.13%
    17.4 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt_low_res:I17607__BC_675__Cov_7 .99%
    11.2 Netherlands_EIA_low_res:I12903__BC_650__Cov_6.55%
    10.2 England_EIA_low_res:I14743_d__BC_644__Cov_5.63%
    5.2 Slovakia_IA_Vekerzug:I12106__BC_664__Cov_55.91%
    3.2 England_EIA_low_res:I12610__BC_636__Cov_5.91%
    2.6 Denmark_BA:RISE276__BC_662__Cov_7.87%

    Target: CDG_scaled
    Distance: 1.6496% / 0.01649615 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    32.6 England_EIA:I27382__BC_642__Cov_73.86%
    22.4 Slovenia_EIA:I5690__BC_624__Cov_82.13%
    18.4 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt_low_res:I17607__BC_675__Cov_7 .99%
    11.2 Netherlands_EIA_low_res:I12903__BC_650__Cov_6.55%
    10.2 England_EIA_low_res:I14743_d__BC_644__Cov_5.63%
    5.2 Slovakia_IA_Vekerzug:I12106__BC_664__Cov_55.91%

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    Target: Dušan_scaled
    Distance: 1.4808% / 0.01480778
    36.6 Latvia_BA
    22.8 Italy_Sicily_Himera_409BCE
    12.0 Croatia_EIA
    10.2 Turkey_Archaic_SubGeometric
    6.4 Ukraine_Scythian
    5.4 Macedonia_IA
    2.4 Bulgaria_EIA
    1.2 Estonia_BA.SG
    0.6 China_WLR_BA_o
    0.6 Italy_Sicily_Himera_480BCE_1
    0.6 Japan_Nagabaka_2800BP
    0.6 Pakistan_Aligrama_IA
    0.6 Vanuatu_2600BP


    Target: Dušan_scaled
    Distance: 1.6876% / 0.01687624 | R4P
    46.2 Latvia_BA
    38.0 Italy_Sicily_Himera_409BCE
    13.8 Turkey_Archaic_SubGeometric
    2.0 Japan_Nagabaka_2800BP




    Target: Dušan_scaled
    Distance: 1.8138% / 0.01813829 | R3P
    51.2 Italy_Sicily_Himera_409BCE
    44.4 Latvia_BA
    4.4 China_Xinjiang_Songshugou_EIA
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    Target: Demir
    Distance: 2.4311% / 0.02431130 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    26.8 Turkey_IA_o4_noUDG
    21.0 Iran_Hasanlu_IA
    21.0 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_2_EIA
    20.6 Kazakhstan_ZevakinoChilikta_IA_2.SG
    10.6 Italy_IA_Republic_oEasternMediterranean.SG

    Target: Demir
    Distance: 2.2658% / 0.02265788 | R3P
    36.8 Kazakhstan_Tasmola_EIA
    36.4 Turkey_SE_Nevali_Cori_IA
    26.8 Turkey_Archaic_SubGeometric

    Target: Demir
    Distance: 2.0375% / 0.02037507 | R4P
    32.6 Lebanon_IA2.SG
    29.2 Kazakhstan_Tasmola_EIA
    28.0 Armenia_IA
    10.2 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_NomEl_3_EIA

    Target: Demir
    Distance: 1.9288% / 0.01928768 | R5P
    30.4 Kazakhstan_Tasmola_EIA
    26.0 Armenia_IA
    22.6 Lebanon_IA2.SG
    15.0 Turkey_Aegean_Mugla_Degirmendere_Anc
    6.0 Estonia_BA.SG

    Certified Scythian here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    Target: Dušan_scaled
    Distance: 1.4808% / 0.01480778
    36.6 Latvia_BA
    22.8 Italy_Sicily_Himera_409BCE
    12.0 Croatia_EIA
    10.2 Turkey_Archaic_SubGeometric
    6.4 Ukraine_Scythian
    5.4 Macedonia_IA
    2.4 Bulgaria_EIA
    1.2 Estonia_BA.SG
    0.6 China_WLR_BA_o
    0.6 Italy_Sicily_Himera_480BCE_1
    0.6 Japan_Nagabaka_2800BP
    0.6 Pakistan_Aligrama_IA
    0.6 Vanuatu_2600BP


    Target: Dušan_scaled
    Distance: 1.6876% / 0.01687624 | R4P
    46.2 Latvia_BA
    38.0 Italy_Sicily_Himera_409BCE
    13.8 Turkey_Archaic_SubGeometric
    2.0 Japan_Nagabaka_2800BP




    Target: Dušan_scaled
    Distance: 1.8138% / 0.01813829 | R3P
    51.2 Italy_Sicily_Himera_409BCE
    44.4 Latvia_BA
    4.4 China_Xinjiang_Songshugou_EIA

    No Scythians at all? It's a surprise.
    Maybe they will appear when you remove these random semi-Slavics sample from Himera?

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    Target: RNB27
    Distance: 1.0737% / 0.01073671 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    24.4 England_EIA
    23.4 Spain_Greek_oLocal
    15.0 Spain_EIA_Tartessian
    12.2 Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_1
    7.2 Turkey_SE_Nevali_Cori_IA
    6.8 England_EIA_low_res
    4.4 Croatia_EIA
    2.4 Slovenia_EIA
    1.4 England_EIA_highEEF
    1.4 France_GrandEst_IA1.SG
    1.4 Tanzania_PN

    Target: RNB27
    Distance: 1.5816% / 0.01581619 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    28.4 Spain_Greek_oLocal
    20.8 Croatia_EIA
    13.8 England_EIA
    13.4 France_GrandEst_IA1.SG
    13.4 Slovenia_EIA
    7.0 Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_1
    2.8 Tanzania_PN
    0.4 England_EIA_highEEF

    Distance to: RNB27
    0.03132520 Slovenia_EIA:I5691__BC_655__Cov_65.54%
    0.03138243 Croatia_EIA:I5725__BC_604__Cov_54.17%
    0.03413413 Slovenia_EIA:I5684__BC_672__Cov_85.74%
    0.03511581 Slovenia_EIA:I5685__BC_672__Cov_87.26%
    0.03626837 England_EIA_highEEF:I12774__BC_604__Cov_72.27%
    0.03688824 Italy_Tuscany_Siena_Etruscan:PRZ002__BC_629__Cov_6 2.56%
    0.03695958 Slovenia_EIA:I23971__BC_672__Cov_48.58%
    0.03912846 Spain_Greek_oLocal:I8209__BC_604__Cov_73.72%
    0.03938226 Croatia_EIA:I23995__BC_779__Cov_68.95%
    0.03994757 Slovenia_EIA:I5692__BC_743__Cov_76.57%
    0.04111289 Italy_IA_Republic.SG:R474.SG__BC_650__Cov_73.44%
    0.04112853 Slovenia_EIA:I5687__BC_672__Cov_90.09%
    0.04149408 Slovenia_EIA:I5686__BC_672__Cov_75.24%
    0.04198286 Germany_West-Hallstattkreis_EIA:MBG017__BC_616__Cov_73.49%
    0.04222594 Croatia_EIA:I23904__BC_692__Cov_70.20%
    0.04280451 Croatia_EIA:I24638__BC_708__Cov_67.73%
    0.04284476 Slovenia_EIA:I22933__BC_672__Cov_26.83%
    0.04338015 Slovenia_EIA:I22935__BC_672__Cov_56.88%
    0.04424129 Croatia_EIA:I24882__BC_649__Cov_71.05%
    0.04478841 Croatia_EIA:I24639__BC_708__Cov_68.44%
    0.04553707 Italy_Tuscany_Siena_Etruscan:CAM002__BC_639__Cov_6 5.71%
    0.04611582 Hungary_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18239__BC_775__C ov_66.49%
    0.04646342 Spain_Navarra_EIA:CRU013_ss.A0101__BC_600__Cov_52. 91%
    0.04694000 Croatia_LBA_EIA:I26742__BC_700__Cov_80.45%
    0.04712612 Hungary_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18213__BC_775__C ov_65.63%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demirkazık View Post
    Target: Demir
    Distance: 2.4311% / 0.02431130 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    26.8 Turkey_IA_o4_noUDG
    21.0 Iran_Hasanlu_IA
    21.0 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_2_EIA
    20.6 Kazakhstan_ZevakinoChilikta_IA_2.SG
    10.6 Italy_IA_Republic_oEasternMediterranean.SG

    Target: Demir
    Distance: 2.2658% / 0.02265788 | R3P
    36.8 Kazakhstan_Tasmola_EIA
    36.4 Turkey_SE_Nevali_Cori_IA
    26.8 Turkey_Archaic_SubGeometric

    Target: Demir
    Distance: 2.0375% / 0.02037507 | R4P
    32.6 Lebanon_IA2.SG
    29.2 Kazakhstan_Tasmola_EIA
    28.0 Armenia_IA
    10.2 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_NomEl_3_EIA

    Target: Demir
    Distance: 1.9288% / 0.01928768 | R5P
    30.4 Kazakhstan_Tasmola_EIA
    26.0 Armenia_IA
    22.6 Lebanon_IA2.SG
    15.0 Turkey_Aegean_Mugla_Degirmendere_Anc
    6.0 Estonia_BA.SG

    Certified Scythian here.

    And these are not Scythians from Kazakhstan

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    Target: SC_Official_AVE_Scaled
    Distance: 1.6045% / 0.01604501 | R5P
    59.8 England_EIA
    13.6 Ukraine_Scythian
    13.0 Ukraine_Srubnaya_MLBA
    7.6 France_GrandEst_IA
    6.0 Kazakhstan_Sarmatian_IA

    More Scythian with 23andMe:

    Target: SC_Official_23andMe_Scaled
    Distance: 1.9745% / 0.01974523 | R5P
    53.8 England_EIA
    17.2 Ukraine_Scythian
    16.0 Ukraine_Srubnaya_MLBA
    9.0 France_GrandEst_IA
    4.0 Kazakhstan_Sarmatian_IA

    How my Scythian sample scores on BA calc by Davide:


    Target: Ukraine_Scythian:MJ14__BC_643__Cov_8.13%
    Distance: 4.1642% / 0.04164206 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    48.8 Baltic_BA
    13.6 HUN_BA
    12.2 Dinaric_BA
    8.0 Unetice
    7.0 UZB_Dzharkutan2_BA
    6.2 Levant_BA
    2.4 Armenia_BA
    1.8 Jarawa

    Target: Ukraine_Scythian:MJ14__BC_643__Cov_8.13%
    Distance: 5.9838% / 0.05983794 | ADC: 2x RC
    100.0 HUN_BA
    Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
    Distance: 1.9594% / 0.01959386 | R3P
    74.4 Irish
    16.2 Moksha
    9.4 Bulgarian

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    I think 23andMe is my more accurate data set for most calcs:

    Target: SC_Official_23andMe_Scaled
    Distance: 2.5426% / 0.02542571 | ADC: 1x RC
    33.2 England_EIA:I13682__BC_662__Cov_63.26%
    27.8 England_EIA:I13688__BC_639__Cov_58.09%
    23.2 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA:UKR111__ BC_657__Cov_41.62%
    15.8 England_EIA:I19861__BC_647__Cov_58.85%

    Target: SC_Official_23andMe_Scaled
    Distance: 2.0720% / 0.02072005 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    34.6 England_EIA:I13688__BC_639__Cov_58.09%
    26.8 England_EIA:I19861__BC_647__Cov_58.85%
    15.6 Ukraine_Scythian:MJ14__BC_643__Cov_8.13%
    14.0 Ukraine_Srubnaya_MLBA:MJ08__BC_637__Cov_8.31%
    9.0 England_EIA:I13682__BC_662__Cov_63.26%

    Target: SC_Official_23andMe_Scaled
    Distance: 1.9727% / 0.01972737 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    21.0 England_EIA:I19861__BC_647__Cov_58.85%
    20.8 England_EIA:I13688__BC_639__Cov_58.09%
    16.4 Ukraine_Scythian:MJ14__BC_643__Cov_8.13%
    16.4 Ukraine_Srubnaya_MLBA:MJ08__BC_637__Cov_8.31%
    10.4 England_EIA:I19862__BC_621__Cov_57.07%
    7.6 France_GrandEst_IA:Croi12-2__BC_675__Cov_9.03%
    5.6 England_EIA:I13682__BC_662__Cov_63.26%
    1.0 Moldova_IA:I20071__BC_799__Cov_28.49%
    0.8 Pakistan_Aligrama_IA:I6888__BC_797__Cov_59.53%

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    Target: Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA:UKR111__ BC_657__Cov_41.62%
    Distance: 3.5587% / 0.03558656 | ADC: 2x RC
    54.2 HUN_BA
    45.8 Unetice
    Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
    Distance: 1.9594% / 0.01959386 | R3P
    74.4 Irish
    16.2 Moksha
    9.4 Bulgarian

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