Anortedelsur's Latest Ancestry DNA Update (2022)

[HelloGuys]

Abrire un hilo nuevo al respecto. No lo habia hecho hasta ahora en parte por pereza, aunque en parte tambien porque mis resultados no han cambiado gran cosa.

Va

[TheWolf97]

85/6% Europeo ya es Criollo

Gracias por recordarmelo.

[TheWolf97]

Mi tatarabuelo paterno (abuelo paterno de mi abuelo paterno) era Italiano. Mi primer apellido es Italiano y es el mismo de ese tatarabuelo.

Ahora tiene sentido. Muy posiblemente el 2% MENA que tienes proviene tambien por el sur de italia

[TheWolf97]

Él es 88% Blanco y 12% No Blanco, eso ya es ser criollo Bro, recuerda las castas:

Castizo (75% Español) y Española= Español (87.5%).

Si lo mismo me comentó de mixdguy, te agradesco por aclararmelo

[BATAVIANO999]

I find this classification of "Alpinized North Atlantid" or "Brunn" strange, since Brunn is practically exclusive to Northern Europe (and you are 0% Northern European), while North Atlantid only exists in the north of the Iberian Peninsula with very low frequencies. The only regions with significant frequencies of North Atlantid are Catalonia and Galicia, which does not match the fact that you are Latin, since most Spanish immigrants to the Americas were from Andalusia or Extremadura.

Remember that having blue eyes does not mean much when talking about phenotype, there are Atlanto Meds and Gracile Meds or even Berids with blue eyes.

[alnortedelsur]

I find this classification of "Alpinized North Atlantid" or "Brunn" strange, since Brunn is practically exclusive to Northern Europe (and you are 0% Northern European), while North Atlantid only exists in the north of the Iberian Peninsula with very low frequencies. The only regions with significant frequencies of North Atlantid are Catalonia and Galicia, which does not match the fact that you are Latin, since most Spanish immigrants to the Americas were from Andalusia or Extremadura.

Remember that having blue eyes does not mean much when talking about phenotype, there are Atlanto Meds and Gracile Meds or even Berids with blue eyes.

To be honest with you, I don't think I'm Brunn either. If I put on my profile "Alpinized North Atlantid" or "Brunn" is because I opened a classification thread of myself long ago (I posted pics of mine long ago, but I don't feel like I want to expose myself any more, by showing my pics in a public forum like this), and there was a general concensus among the majority of users in classifying me as Alpinized North Atlantid. But there was also a Bulgarian user who classified me as Brunn, so I put that in my profile as an alternate classification of mine, only for respect to his opinion.

In that thread I argued the same that you say to this Bulgarian user (that Brunn is an exclusively northern Euro phenotype, and that I didn't think I was Brunn) but he argued that being it more frequent in northern Europe doesn't mean it is only relegated to there, but could also be present among some southern Euros, and he swear that I was Brunn in his opinion. So the thing is that I put those two alternatives on my profile right after that personal classification thread of mine, based on what most users classified me as (I didn't self classified), and including "Brunn" as an alternate classification so as not to offend the Bulgarian user; but now that I think it better, I will remove "Brunn" from my profile, and just leave "Alpinized North Atlantid" which is what I think is my correct classification, based on the fact that most people in that thread classified me as such. I don't have a long and narrow head as for being a light Atlanto-med. My head is kind of wide/mesocephalic (with denotes some Alpine influence) but I don't have harsh/squarish features (which would be more like Brunn and other very North Euro phenotypes), but have more like soft/fleshy features

I disagree that North Atlantid is rare in Iberia as you claim, nor I think that it only has significant presence in Catalonia and Galicia. It can also be found in decent percentages through all the Iberian peninsula (is far from being the most typical, but not as non-frequent as you imply either).

Many Spanish immigrants to the Americans in colonial times were from Andalusia or Extremadura, but my mother was a Spanish immigrant from Mallorca (Balearic Islands). She was mostly Mallorcan native (except for a paternal great-grandmother of her, who was from the peninsula, not sure if from Castilla-Leon).

And my Venezuelan dad (who was genetically castizo) besides some Italian (from a great-grandfather of him who was Italian) had some Spanish ancestry from Canary Islands (and maybe from other parts in the Spanish peninsula, like Castilla, Andalusia and/or extremadura, idk) and in a classification thread that I opened about him, most users classified him as Noric, and said things like that he could pass in many European countries (including northern Europe). So, see how your stereotypes don't always work.

Going back to myself. This is what I got from ChatGPT:

The Coon classification system, developed by anthropologist Carleton Coon in the mid-20th century, categorized human populations into a range of racial and subracial groups based on physical characteristics. His work has been widely criticized and is considered outdated today due to its racial determinism.

However, if we were to apply his classifications strictly based on physical traits, the individual in the photo would likely fall under what Coon referred to as the "Nordic" or "Atlantid" types, given their light skin, blue or light-colored eyes, and European features. The "Nordic" type was characterized by tall stature, lighter pigmentation, and narrower facial features, often associated with Northern Europe. The "Atlantid" type was similar but described as having more mixed Mediterranean influences, though still primarily European.

Again, this classification system is now seen as flawed and outdated, as modern anthropology embraces more inclusive and scientifically sound understandings of human diversity.

And this is what I got when I asked ethnicity guesser about my pasability in different European countries:

Based on the individual's physical appearance, here's an estimation of where they might pass as a local in various European countries, with 70 and above being a strong likelihood:

Germany: 85/100 – Very likely, given the combination of light skin, eye color, and facial features.
United Kingdom: 80/100 – Likely, particularly in England or Scotland where similar traits are common.
Netherlands: 80/100 – Likely, given similar Northern European characteristics.
Denmark: 75/100 – Quite likely, with features common in Scandinavian populations.
Sweden: 70/100 – Reasonably likely, though more typical Nordic traits (such as blond hair) might make them stand out slightly.
France (Northern): 70/100 – Possible, especially in the northern regions bordering Belgium or Germany.
Norway: 65/100 – Possible, but lighter features such as hair color might be expected.
Poland: 65/100 – They could blend in, though more Eastern European features might differ slightly.

This estimation focuses on Northern and Central Europe, where such physical traits are more typical. They might be less likely to pass as local in Southern or Eastern European countries.

I tried to find that old thread of mine of classifying myself to show it here, but I cannot find it, neither here nor in google, and I don't know why, but several users on here remember that thread, and know that I'm not making that up.

[geneticmarker]

To be honest with you, I don't think I'm Brunn either. If I put on my profile "Alpinized North Atlantid" or "Brunn" is because I opened a classification thread of myself long ago (I posted pics of mine long ago, but I don't feel like I want to expose myself any more, by showing my pics in a public forum like this), and there was a general concensus among the majority of users in classifying me as Alpinized North Atlantid. But there was also a Bulgarian user who classified me as Brunn, so I put that in my profile as an alternate classification of mine, only for respect to his opinion.

In that thread I argued the same that you say to this Bulgarian user (that Brunn is an exclusively northern Euro phenotype, and that I didn't think I was Brunn) but he argued that being it more frequent in northern Europe doesn't mean it is only relegated to there, but could also be present among some southern Euros, and he swear that I was Brunn in his opinion. So the thing is that I put those two alternatives on my profile right after that personal classification thread of mine, based on what most users classified me as (I didn't self classified), and including "Brunn" as an alternate classification so as not to offend the Bulgarian user; but now that I think it better, I will remove "Brunn" from my profile, and just leave "Alpinized North Atlantid" which is what I think is my correct classification, based on the fact that most people in that thread classified me as such. I don't have a long and narrow head as for being a light Atlanto-med. My head is kind of wide/mesocephalic (with denotes some Alpine influence) but I don't have harsh/squarish features (which would be more like Brunn and other very North Euro phenotypes), but have more like soft/fleshy features

I disagree that North Atlantid is rare in Iberia as you claim, nor I think that it only has significant presence in Catalonia and Galicia. It can also be found in decent percentages through all the Iberian peninsula (is far from being the most typical, but not as non-frequent as you imply either).

Many Spanish immigrants to the Americans in colonial times were from Andalusia or Extremadura, but my mother was a Spanish immigrant from Mallorca (Balearic Islands). She was mostly Mallorcan native (except for a paternal great-grandmother of her, who was from the peninsula, not sure if from Castilla-Leon).

And my Venezuelan dad (who was genetically castizo) besides some Italian (from a great-grandfather of him who was Italian) had some Spanish ancestry from Canary Islands (and maybe from other parts in the Spanish peninsula, like Castilla, Andalusia and/or extremadura, idk) and in a classification thread that I opened about him, most users classified him as Noric, and said things like that he could pass in many European countries (including northern Europe). So, see how your stereotypes don't always work.

Going back to myself. This is what I got from ChatGPT:



And this is what I got when I asked ethnicity guesser about my pasability in different European countries:



I tried to find that old thread of mine of classifying myself to show it here, but I cannot find it, neither here nor in google, and I don't know why, but several users on here remember that thread, and know that I'm not making that up.

can send your ancestrydna result updated 2024?

[alnortedelsur]

can send your ancestrydna result updated 2024?

I'll open a thread about it. I haven't done it yet for laziness

[BATAVIANO999]

To be honest with you, I don't think I'm Brunn either. If I put on my profile "Alpinized North Atlantid" or "Brunn" is because I opened a classification thread of myself long ago (I posted pics of mine long ago, but I don't feel like I want to expose myself any more, by showing my pics in a public forum like this), and there was a general concensus among the majority of users in classifying me as Alpinized North Atlantid. But there was also a Bulgarian user who classified me as Brunn, so I put that in my profile as an alternate classification of mine, only for respect to his opinion.

In that thread I argued the same that you say to this Bulgarian user (that Brunn is an exclusively northern Euro phenotype, and that I didn't think I was Brunn) but he argued that being it more frequent in northern Europe doesn't mean it is only relegated to there, but could also be present among some southern Euros, and he swear that I was Brunn in his opinion. So the thing is that I put those two alternatives on my profile right after that personal classification thread of mine, based on what most users classified me as (I didn't self classified), and including "Brunn" as an alternate classification so as not to offend the Bulgarian user; but now that I think it better, I will remove "Brunn" from my profile, and just leave "Alpinized North Atlantid" which is what I think is my correct classification, based on the fact that most people in that thread classified me as such. I don't have a long and narrow head as for being a light Atlanto-med. My head is kind of wide/mesocephalic (with denotes some Alpine influence) but I don't have harsh/squarish features (which would be more like Brunn and other very North Euro phenotypes), but have more like soft/fleshy features

I disagree that North Atlantid is rare in Iberia as you claim, nor I think that it only has significant presence in Catalonia and Galicia. It can also be found in decent percentages through all the Iberian peninsula (is far from being the most typical, but not as non-frequent as you imply either).

Many Spanish immigrants to the Americans in colonial times were from Andalusia or Extremadura, but my mother was a Spanish immigrant from Mallorca (Balearic Islands). She was mostly Mallorcan native (except for a paternal great-grandmother of her, who was from the peninsula, not sure if from Castilla-Leon).

And my Venezuelan dad (who was genetically castizo) besides some Italian (from a great-grandfather of him who was Italian) had some Spanish ancestry from Canary Islands (and maybe from other parts in the Spanish peninsula, like Castilla, Andalusia and/or extremadura, idk) and in a classification thread that I opened about him, most users classified him as Noric, and said things like that he could pass in many European countries (including northern Europe). So, see how your stereotypes don't always work.

Going back to myself. This is what I got from ChatGPT:



And this is what I got when I asked ethnicity guesser about my pasability in different European countries:



I tried to find that old thread of mine of classifying myself to show it here, but I cannot find it, neither here nor in google, and I don't know why, but several users on here remember that thread, and know that I'm not making that up.

curious, it is possible that your ancestry from mallorca contains some greater franco-celtic component due to catalan ancestry, while your father may have inherited more of the italian phenotype (assuming he has 12% or thereabouts) but it is something quite rare, I have personally only seen one colonial latino being classified with a nordid phenotype, which was a man from the Ceará region in Brazil who was classified by consensus as borreby by a group of phenotypic evaluators.

[alnortedelsur]

curious, it is possible that your ancestry from mallorca contains some greater franco-celtic component due to catalan ancestry, while your father may have inherited more of the italian phenotype (assuming he has 12% or thereabouts) but it is something quite rare, I have personally only seen one colonial latino being classified with a nordid phenotype, which was a man from the Ceará region in Brazil who was classified by consensus as borreby by a group of phenotypic evaluators.

Certainly Mallorcan people have high degree of Catalan ancestry. But there are also many light haired and eyed Andalusians, Murcians, Castilians, etc.

My Venezuelan dad was indeed 12.5% Italian by known ancestry. The paternal grandpa of his dad was an Italian immigrant, but we don't know for certain from which part of Italy he was from, and it would be very far-fetched to conclude that the light features of myself, my elder brother (he is not blue eyed, but other than that he is as light as me) my dad, my grandpa, three full brothers of my dad (who were also blue eyed), etc., are because of that 25% Italian of my grandpa, 12% Italian of my dad, or 6.25% Italian in my case.