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I think you might be getting such high Yamnaya is lack of appropriate HG samples for you, personally. If you add in Karelia and Latvia HG I imagine your Yamnaya would drop if you have that much Finnish East.
Latvia_HG,0.13111,0.1008548,0.1807822,0.1974751,0. 1065198,0.0561443,0.0070649,0.0204943,0.0526009,-0.0261737,-0.0035319,-0.0181058,0.0270004,-0.0059351,0.0355418,0.0477736,0.0034469,0.0044104,-0.0065285,0.0427549,0.0605573,0.0122492,-0.0260517,-0.1122675,0.00949
Latvia_HG.SG,0.129758,0.109677,0.178378,0.195416,0 .11356,0.056615,0.009635,0.023537,0.05604,-0.021504,-0.009743,-0.020382,0.028097,0.00578,0.043023,0.034473,-0.012256,0.010388,-0.004399,0.04227,0.066757,0.007666,-0.029826,-0.129777,0.006227
Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061,0.125205,0.034528,0.137272 ,0.204137,-0.015695,0.057451,-0.026791,-0.03046,-0.01084,-0.090571,0.025982,-0.009591,0.022745,-0.048581,0.019679,0.016309,-0.022426,0.0019,-0.006913,0.017258,-0.004617,0.011747,0.007025,-0.020485,-0.008502
Russia_Karelia_HG:I0211,0.126344,0.033512,0.126335 ,0.220933,0.002462,0.054941,-0.012691,-0.011999,0.00859,-0.086015,0.007632,-0.030723,0.047571,-0.017616,0.014386,0.04097,-0.018515,0.001774,-0.005908,0.002376,-0.012977,0.014096,0.00949,-0.027233,-0.005868
If I add these 4 here above my result is 56.8% Dairy-lover:
Target: SC_Official_AVE_Scaled
Distance: 2.4814% / 0.02481354
35.6 Gibraltar_EN
18.2 Russia_Kalmykia_EBA_Yamnaya.SG
17.2 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
16.6 Serbia_EBA_Yamnaya
7.6 Latvia_HG.SG
4.0 Bulgaria_EBA_Yamnaya
0.8 Hungary_LateC_EBA_Baden_Yamnaya
Finnish_East should show more Barcin than Gibraltar, and more Latvia_HG:
Target: Finnish_East
Distance: 4.8403% / 0.04840337
28.4 Russia_Karelia_HG
21.6 Serbia_EBA_Yamnaya
18.8 Turkey_Barcin_LN.SG
12.4 Russia_Kalmykia_EBA_Yamnaya.SG
10.6 Latvia_HG
8.2 Gibraltar_EN
Target: SC_NewDeepModernScaled_Official_Merged
Distance: 1.7028% / 0.01702792 | ADC: 2x RC
57.2 Irish
42.8 Norwegian



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This is the last one for now, based again on averages along with the NE HG:
Turkey_Barcin_LN.SG:Bar25.SG,0.112685,0.182795,0.0 10936,-0.10013,0.055087,-0.046854,-0.00235,-0.002769,0.046836,0.081642,0.008607,0.010191,-0.015758,0.006193,-0.040173,-0.020021,0.00352,0.000507,0.011816,-0.014132,-0.008735,0.006306,-0.010969,-0.00494,-0.00467
France_Rochedane:Rochedane,0.117238,0.112724,0.170 836,0.191217,0.149874,0.04769,0.010575,0.035306,0. 083241,0.034989,-0.013641,-0.020082,0.008622,0.00523,0.054831,0.066427,0.0087 36,0.014569,-0.021369,0.051775,0.094084,0.018672,-0.055092,-0.168217,0.010658
Gibraltar_EN,0.130897,0.164516,0.040352,-0.060724,0.0834,-0.033188,-0.018331,0.007384,0.069947,0.096767,0.000162,0.022 48,-0.032408,-0.00523,-0.017372,-0.0118,-0.002999,0.012922,0.008422,-0.010755,0.002995,0.000124,-0.016022,-0.011809,0.001796
Serbia_EN_Starcevo,0.127482,0.18178,0.018479,-0.074613,0.056626,-0.040997,-0.00094,-0.001846,0.032519,0.077086,0.001461,0.008992,-0.028097,-0.000963,-0.03298,-0.008221,0.007693,-0.000127,0.012193,-0.012131,-0.006239,0.003215,-0.008997,-0.006266,-0.003113
Latvia_HG,0.13111,0.1008548,0.1807822,0.1974751,0. 1065198,0.0561443,0.0070649,0.0204943,0.0526009,-0.0261737,-0.0035319,-0.0181058,0.0270004,-0.0059351,0.0355418,0.0477736,0.0034469,0.0044104,-0.0065285,0.0427549,0.0605573,0.0122492,-0.0260517,-0.1122675,0.00949
Latvia_HG.SG,0.129758,0.109677,0.178378,0.195416,0 .11356,0.056615,0.009635,0.023537,0.05604,-0.021504,-0.009743,-0.020382,0.028097,0.00578,0.043023,0.034473,-0.012256,0.010388,-0.004399,0.04227,0.066757,0.007666,-0.029826,-0.129777,0.006227
Russia_Karelia_HG,0.1257745,0.03402,0.1318035,0.21 2535,-0.0066165,0.056196,-0.019741,-0.0212295,-0.001125,-0.088293,0.016807,-0.020157,0.035158,-0.0330985,0.0170325,0.0286395,-0.0204705,0.001837,-0.0064105,0.009817,-0.008797,0.0129215,0.0082575,-0.023859,-0.007185
Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya,0.1258378,0.0892539,0.04 29079,0.1154556,-0.0278684,0.0446846,0.0044911,-0.0029487,-0.0548579,-0.0729957,0.0018583,0.0003497,-0.0016518,-0.0236099,0.0372629,0.015734,1.00E-07,-0.001478,-0.001704,0.0125059,-0.0031197,0.001374,0.0112292,0.0184362,-0.0045237
my result
Target: SC_Official_AVE_Scaled
Distance: 2.9848% / 0.02984776
52.4 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
35.8 Gibraltar_EN
4.8 Latvia_HG
4.4 Serbia_EN_Starcevo
2.6 Latvia_HG.SG
Your results are confusing so far. You should be lining up more NW.
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Target: SC_NewDeepModernScaled_Official_Merged
Distance: 1.7028% / 0.01702792 | ADC: 2x RC
57.2 Irish
42.8 Norwegian
What are you trying to figure out?
Target: husband_scaled
Distance: 5.2277% / 0.05227748
22.4 Russia_Karelia_HG
17.2 Hungary_LateC_EBA_Baden_Yamnaya
13.6 Bulgaria_EBA_Yamnaya
12.4 Latvia_HG.SG
11.8 Serbia_EBA_Yamnaya
10.4 Turkey_Barcin_LN.SG
9.6 Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya
2.6 Russia_Kalmykia_EBA_Yamnaya.SG
Target: Vessna_scaled
Distance: 5.6409% / 0.05640923
35.6 Hungary_LateC_EBA_Baden_Yamnaya
20.8 Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya
16.4 Russia_Kalmykia_EBA_Yamnaya.SG
15.8 Latvia_HG.SG
6.2 Serbia_EBA_Yamnaya
5.2 Russia_Karelia_HG



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I was/am trying to understand how someone primarily NW European is scoring higher on the basic 3-way Yamnaya calc than a FULL Finnish_East average or individual sample. It doesn't make sense, does it? So if we add in some other HG, the Finns pick those up right away, but this guy I've been corresponding with is not showing them and he's getting western farmer, which also doesn't make sense per his Yamnaya result being so high. I think there are different variables at play here, but for me it's interesting to compare to him as he is from the Netherlands and my closest modern match is Dutch, and we are scoring higher than all the other NW nations, on averages.
Try this one:
Turkey_Barcin_LN.SG:Bar25.SG,0.112685,0.182795,0.0 10936,-0.10013,0.055087,-0.046854,-0.00235,-0.002769,0.046836,0.081642,0.008607,0.010191,-0.015758,0.006193,-0.040173,-0.020021,0.00352,0.000507,0.011816,-0.014132,-0.008735,0.006306,-0.010969,-0.00494,-0.00467
France_Rochedane:Rochedane,0.117238,0.112724,0.170 836,0.191217,0.149874,0.04769,0.010575,0.035306,0. 083241,0.034989,-0.013641,-0.020082,0.008622,0.00523,0.054831,0.066427,0.0087 36,0.014569,-0.021369,0.051775,0.094084,0.018672,-0.055092,-0.168217,0.010658
Gibraltar_EN,0.130897,0.164516,0.040352,-0.060724,0.0834,-0.033188,-0.018331,0.007384,0.069947,0.096767,0.000162,0.022 48,-0.032408,-0.00523,-0.017372,-0.0118,-0.002999,0.012922,0.008422,-0.010755,0.002995,0.000124,-0.016022,-0.011809,0.001796
Serbia_EN_Starcevo,0.127482,0.18178,0.018479,-0.074613,0.056626,-0.040997,-0.00094,-0.001846,0.032519,0.077086,0.001461,0.008992,-0.028097,-0.000963,-0.03298,-0.008221,0.007693,-0.000127,0.012193,-0.012131,-0.006239,0.003215,-0.008997,-0.006266,-0.003113
Latvia_HG,0.13111,0.1008548,0.1807822,0.1974751,0. 1065198,0.0561443,0.0070649,0.0204943,0.0526009,-0.0261737,-0.0035319,-0.0181058,0.0270004,-0.0059351,0.0355418,0.0477736,0.0034469,0.0044104,-0.0065285,0.0427549,0.0605573,0.0122492,-0.0260517,-0.1122675,0.00949
Latvia_HG.SG,0.129758,0.109677,0.178378,0.195416,0 .11356,0.056615,0.009635,0.023537,0.05604,-0.021504,-0.009743,-0.020382,0.028097,0.00578,0.043023,0.034473,-0.012256,0.010388,-0.004399,0.04227,0.066757,0.007666,-0.029826,-0.129777,0.006227
Russia_Karelia_HG,0.1257745,0.03402,0.1318035,0.21 2535,-0.0066165,0.056196,-0.019741,-0.0212295,-0.001125,-0.088293,0.016807,-0.020157,0.035158,-0.0330985,0.0170325,0.0286395,-0.0204705,0.001837,-0.0064105,0.009817,-0.008797,0.0129215,0.0082575,-0.023859,-0.007185
Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya,0.1258378,0.0892539,0.04 29079,0.1154556,-0.0278684,0.0446846,0.0044911,-0.0029487,-0.0548579,-0.0729957,0.0018583,0.0003497,-0.0016518,-0.0236099,0.0372629,0.015734,1.00E-07,-0.001478,-0.001704,0.0125059,-0.0031197,0.001374,0.0112292,0.0184362,-0.0045237
Hungary_EN_HG_Koros,0.135449,0.122879,0.181018,0.1 54395,0.128947,0.042391,0.017156,0.037845,0.071379 ,0.008565,-0.002761,-0.013938,0.014717,-0.00234,0.026737,0.046406,0.018384,0.008488,-0.006788,0.046772,0.06239,0.011747,-0.038823,-0.12315,0.012933
Italy_South_HG_Ostuni1,0.054635,0.031481,0.033941, 0.081396,0.061858,-0.000837,0.00188,-0.002769,0.064016,0.019864,-0.009094,-0.016635,0.008028,0.002202,0.009772,0.021745,0.009 518,0.001647,-0.021243,0.023136,0.036685,-0.000247,-0.017871,-0.064708,0.002515
Japan_HG_Jomon,0.0106994,-0.3460924,-0.0530232,0.012274,0.0379146,0.0152274,-0.002773,-0.0007846,0.0256064,0.0189888,-0.0501782,-0.0083326,0.009098,-0.0063856,-0.0248098,-0.0170508,0.0053458,0.0094006,0.003922,-0.0048774,0.0638872,-0.0453804,0.0078138,0.0122908,-0.0984104
USA_Alaska_TrailCreek_9000BP.SG,0.030732,-0.287395,0.085229,0.091732,-0.078784,-0.011992,-0.11257,-0.131071,-0.002863,-0.024055,-0.002273,-0.007044,0.005054,-0.011698,0.004479,0.003447,-0.000913,-0.005448,0.005782,0.01038,-0.01148,0.001731,0.009244,0.005784,-0.006347
Russia_Ekven_OldBeringSea,0.0463829,-0.3563239,0.1166952,0.0468754,-0.1182528,-0.0380163,-0.1210451,-0.1408066,0.000524,-0.0169138,0.0252411,-0.0061258,0.0095422,-0.0174007,-0.0335654,-0.0152809,-0.0027135,0.0128032,0.0331216,0.0191106,0.0258373,-0.0432939,0.0076259,0.0284905,0.0373021
Russia_Ekven_OldBeringSea.SG,0.05122,-0.34528,0.109365,0.042636,-0.115406,-0.033746,-0.11163,-0.137763,0.010022,-0.017859,0.026632,0.002548,0.000595,-0.012937,-0.023344,-0.013657,-0.008866,0.013682,0.031173,0.016633,0.032443,-0.0298,0.010106,0.025184,0.028141
Russia_Uelen_OldBeringSea,0.0483748,-0.351627,0.1144562,0.048127,-0.1167138,-0.0375805,-0.1277872,-0.144744,0,-0.0145788,0.023465,-0.0048708,0.0096257,-0.0164458,-0.0340318,-0.0108722,-0.0015318,0.0135558,0.0349125,0.0195408,0.0306958,-0.0475135,0.009983,0.0297932,0.0384695
mine
Target: SC_Official_AVE_Scaled
Distance: 2.9800% / 0.02979963
53.4 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
36.0 Gibraltar_EN
3.6 Hungary_EN_HG_Koros
3.4 Serbia_EN_Starcevo
3.0 Latvia_HG.SG
0.6 Latvia_HG
Target: SC_NewDeepModernScaled_Official_Merged
Distance: 1.7028% / 0.01702792 | ADC: 2x RC
57.2 Irish
42.8 Norwegian
Target: Vessna_scaled
Distance: 6.6341% / 0.06634091
35.0 Turkey_Barcin_LN.SG
34.8 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
15.4 Russia_Karelia_HG
14.0 Latvia_HG.SG
0.8 Hungary_EN_HG_Koros
Target: husband_scaled
Distance: 5.5742% / 0.05574151
31.2 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
29.2 Turkey_Barcin_LN.SG
20.4 Russia_Karelia_HG
13.4 Latvia_HG.SG
3.0 Japan_HG_Jomon
2.2 Hungary_EN_HG_Koros
0.6 Russia_Ekven_OldBeringSea




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Balto-Slavs (including you) suffer from Balto-Slavic drift (genetic drift) on G25, which is why you latch onto Latvian HG's.
Davidski from Eurogenes has a blogpost explaining the phenomenon:
https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2021/...st-vs.html?m=1
Please note, Greg, that none of the Z scores reach significance, which means that these Northwest Europeans and Slavs are symmetrically related to Baltic_HG. They're also symmetrically related to other relevant ancient groups such as the Yamnaya steppe herders. This, of course, suggests that they harbor very similar levels of basically the same ancient genetic components.Now, Greg, if at least in terms of genetic ancestry, Latvians, Lithuanians, Belarusians, Poles and Ukrainians all qualify as Northeast Europeans, then what makes them different, as a group, from Northwest Europeans? Do you believe that the key factor is admixture from Baltic hunter-gatherers? Or is it genetic drift?
Of course, considering all of the f4-stats above, logic dictates that it must be relatively recent genetic drift.
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