15 Thousand Years Ago by Tomenable / Peterski

[ScandinavianCelt]

@Vessna

Distance to: Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
0.12518432 Asega_scaled <-- this seems an impossibility or error, which is why we are discussing it
0.12814818 Finnish_East
0.12862308 Finnish_Central
0.12970263 Finnish_Southeast
0.13048183 Russian_Kostroma
0.13052258 Russian_Leshukonsky
0.13101105 Karelian
0.13158615 Russian_Pinezhsky
0.13191652 Russian_Krasnoborsky
0.13271791 Finnish_North
0.13559220 Russian_Tver
0.13611500 Finnish_Southwest
0.13619353 Russian_Pinega
0.13771027 Russian_Ryazan
0.13787351 Russian_Yaroslavl
0.13980106 Russian_Kursk
0.14015148 Estonian
0.14117349 Ghost_75%Dutch_25%FinnEast
0.14145541 SC_Official_AVE_Scaled
0.14173379 Swedish
0.14196105 Russian_Orel
0.14243298 Russian_Pskov
0.14434580 Latvian
0.14444194 Russian_Kaluga
0.14492345 Lithuanian_PA
0.14528423 Icelandic
0.14538280 Norwegian
0.14602587 Lithuanian_PZ
0.14636871 Russian_Voronez
0.14676639 Lithuanian_VZ
0.14688523 Lithuanian_RA
0.14691370 Shetlandic
0.14717635 Lithuanian_VA
0.14733322 Lithuanian_SZ
0.14743516 Danish
0.14751404 Belarusian
0.14782228 Russian_Smolensk
0.14859755 Russian_Belgorod
0.14868644 Irish
0.15090875 Scottish
0.15293987 Dutch
0.15599082 English
0.15648903 Welsh
0.15944160 English_Cornwall

[Asega]

Target: husband_scaled
Distance: 6.7195% / 0.06719516
53.8 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
23.6 Turkey_Barcin_LN.SG
17.6 France_Rochedane
5.0 Russia_Ekven_OldBeringSea

Target: Vessna_scaled
Distance: 7.5849% / 0.07584930
55.4 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
30.0 Turkey_Barcin_LN.SG
14.6 France_Rochedane

Looks more accurate.

[ScandinavianCelt]

Looks like you modeled them without the East Asian component

You mean Gora?

[Mr. M]

You mean Gora?

Nganasan/Han, leaving it out inflates Yamnaya for populations like Finns and Northern Russians

[Vessna]

@Vessna

Distance to: Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
0.12518432 Asega_scaled <-- this seems an impossibility or error, which is why we are discussing it
0.12814818 Finnish_East
0.12862308 Finnish_Central
0.12970263 Finnish_Southeast
0.13048183 Russian_Kostroma
0.13052258 Russian_Leshukonsky
0.13101105 Karelian
0.13158615 Russian_Pinezhsky
0.13191652 Russian_Krasnoborsky
0.13271791 Finnish_North
0.13559220 Russian_Tver
0.13611500 Finnish_Southwest
0.13619353 Russian_Pinega
0.13771027 Russian_Ryazan
0.13787351 Russian_Yaroslavl
0.13980106 Russian_Kursk
0.14015148 Estonian
0.14117349 Ghost_75%Dutch_25%FinnEast
0.14145541 SC_Official_AVE_Scaled
0.14173379 Swedish
0.14196105 Russian_Orel
0.14243298 Russian_Pskov
0.14434580 Latvian
0.14444194 Russian_Kaluga
0.14492345 Lithuanian_PA
0.14528423 Icelandic
0.14538280 Norwegian
0.14602587 Lithuanian_PZ
0.14636871 Russian_Voronez
0.14676639 Lithuanian_VZ
0.14688523 Lithuanian_RA
0.14691370 Shetlandic
0.14717635 Lithuanian_VA
0.14733322 Lithuanian_SZ
0.14743516 Danish
0.14751404 Belarusian
0.14782228 Russian_Smolensk
0.14859755 Russian_Belgorod
0.14868644 Irish
0.15090875 Scottish
0.15293987 Dutch
0.15599082 English
0.15648903 Welsh
0.15944160 English_Cornwall

Yea that’s not very realistic

[ScandinavianCelt]

Nganasan/Han, leaving it out inflates Yamnaya for populations like Finns and Northern Russians

Does it change your results if you add that?

[ScandinavianCelt]

Yea that’s not very realistic

Now you know why I was/am trying to understand how such a thing could exist. What do you think? He's 2/3 Irish? Doesn't make sense.

[Asega]

Now you know why I was/am trying to understand how such a thing could exist. What do you think? He's 2/3 Irish? Doesn't make sense.

2/3 Irish is obviously just an artefact. An abstract of the model. Just like you are Danish & Dutch.

You seem to take G25 quite literally which you shouldn't. It's not a tool that will discern your ancestry accurately in most cases. That's what Davidski (the creator) will you tell when you ask him.

[Asega]

I don't. It's interesting that I get 53.4% on the basic 3-way, but also 53.4% when adding in multiple other HG and Farmer samples. Most people's Yamnaya scores will change when adding in others.

Target Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
Russian_Leshukonsky 68.8
Russian_Pinezhsky 64.6
Russian_Pinega 63
Finnish_East 62.4
Karelian 61.8
Finnish_North 61.6
Russian_Krasnoborsky 61.4
Russian_Kostroma 61
Finnish_Central 61
Finnish_Southeast 59.4
Russian_Tver 58.2
Russian_Yaroslavl 58
Finnish_Southwest 58
Russian_Ryazan 57.4
Russian_Kursk 56.2
Russian_Orel 56
Russian_Pskov 55.8
Russian_Kaluga 54.8
Belarusian 54.4
Russian_Smolensk 54.2
Russian_Voronez 54.2
Russian_Belgorod 53.6
SC_Official_AVE_Scaled 53.4
Shetlandic 53.2
Dutch.FinnEast.Ghost 53
Swedish 52.8
Icelandic 52.2
Norwegian 51.8
Irish 51.6
Danish 51.2
Scottish 50.6
Dutch 49.8
English 49
Welsh 48.6
English_Cornwall 48

No one has ~ 70% Yamnaya ancestry. Yamnaya ancestry is basically absent in most of Europe.

[ScandinavianCelt]

2/3 Irish is obviously just an artefact. An abstract of the model. Just like you are Danish & Dutch.

You seem to take G25 quite literally which you shouldn't. It's not a tool that will discern your ancestry accurately in most cases. That's what Davidski (the creator) will you tell when you ask him.

Your distance plots you between Karelian-Mordovian. My results are realistic. Yours are not. Why do you suppose that is? Any theories? In two years here I've not seen a single person post a result to a Yamnaya calc that did not make sense like yours.

Here are the closest of ALL MODERN OFFICIAL SCALED to Samara_EBA_Yamnaya: