15 Thousand Years Ago by Tomenable / Peterski

[Grace O'Malley]

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 7.2337% / 0.07233725
43.2 Anatolia_15KYA:ZBC_IPB001
36.8 Eastern_Europe_15KYAES001
15.2 Caucasus_15KYA:KK1
4.8 Southern_Europe_15KYA:Villabruna

[Vessna]

2/3 Irish is obviously just an artefact. An abstract of the model. Just like you are Danish & Dutch.

You seem to take G25 quite literally which you shouldn't. It's not a tool that will discern your ancestry accurately in most cases. That's what Davidski (the creator) will you tell when you ask him.

Even if G25 is an abstract model, there are patterns that samples from different regions follow. Yours makes no sense based on your ancestry. NW euro plotting like Mordvin from Russia is nonsense.

[ScandinavianCelt]

No one has ~ 70% Yamnaya ancestry. Yamnaya ancestry is basically absent in most of Europe.

What do your coordinates give you on the K105 calc?

[Asega]

Your distance plots you between Karelian-Mordovian. My results are realistic. Yours are not. Why do you suppose that is? Any theories? In two years here I've not seen a single person post a result to a Yamnaya calc that did not make sense like yours.

Even if G25 is an abstract model, there are patterns that samples from different regions follow. Yours makes no sense based on your ancestry. NW euro plotting like Mordvin from Russia is nonsense.

I have no theory as to why, but the Bell Beakers (who are NW Euros) are the same in that regards. Most NW Euros carry more farmer ancestry.

The distance is based on distance to Yamnaya. I don't plot on a PCA with actual Mordvins at the exclusion of other NW Euros, but with Scandinavians and Anglo-Saxons instead. Which is perfectly in line with my ancestry.

[Vessna]

I have no theory as to why, but the Bell Beakers (who are NW Euros) are the same in that regards. Most NW Euros carry more farmer ancestry.

The distance is based on distance to Yamnaya. I don't plot on a PCA with actual Mordvins at the exclusion of other NW Euros, more so at the top corner.

Can you share your coordinates?

[Asega]

Can you share your coordinates?

Sure.

Asega_scaled,0.133173,0.116786,0.06939,0.069122,0. 031698,0.023427,0.00188,0.003461,-0.004556,-0.006378,0.000812,0.009142,-0.009366,-0.009909,0.026058,0.013922,-0.009779,0.001801,0.005405,0.009603,0.009109,0.007 543,-0.000123,0.020846,0.002754

[Vessna]

Target: Asega_scaled
Distance: 7.0505% / 0.07050520
46.6 Eastern_Europe_15KYAES001
38.8 Anatolia_15KYA:ZBC_IPB001
14.0 Caucasus_15KYA:KK1
0.6 Southern_Europe_15KYA:Villabruna

Your results are close to mine, including the distance. Even poles here have closer distance and more Anatolian. How is this possible?
Target: Vessna_scaled
Distance: 7.9853% / 0.07985337
47.4 Eastern_Europe_15KYA
41.6 Anatolia_15KYA
10.8 Caucasus_15KYA
0.2 Southern_Europe_15KYA

[Asega]

Your results are close to mine, including the distance. Even poles here have closer distance and more Anatolian. How is this possible?
Target: Vessna_scaled
Distance: 7.9853% / 0.07985337
47.4 Eastern_Europe_15KYA
41.6 Anatolia_15KYA
10.8 Caucasus_15KYA
0.2 Southern_Europe_15KYA

Like Davidski said, NW Euros and Eastern Euros have basically identical proportions of ancient ancestry.

There are Scandinavians who score less Anatolian than both of us on that calc:

[Asega]

What do your coordinates give you on the K105 calc?

Distance to: Asega_scaled
0.03006872 Iceland
0.03084273 Sweden
0.03090052 Norway
0.03416507 Denmark
0.03688936 Ireland
0.03838554 Scotland
0.04137944 Holland
0.04380440 Wales
0.04382835 England
0.05151973 Germany
0.05936567 Czech_Republic
0.06316809 Belgium
0.06345680 Austria
0.06464761 Slovakia
0.06744129 Hungary
0.06758051 Poland
0.07357850 Slovenia
0.07384938 Croatia
0.07425813 Ukraine
0.07520512 Belarus
0.07569095 Russia
0.07892048 Estonia
0.08050186 Moldova
0.08235322 Bosnia
0.08413357 France

Target: Asega_scaled
Distance: 2.3091% / 0.02309075
86.0 Iceland
10.6 Finland
1.6 Peru
1.4 Tajikistan
0.4 India

[ScandinavianCelt]

Your results are close to mine, including the distance. Even poles here have closer distance and more Anatolian. How is this possible?
Target: Vessna_scaled
Distance: 7.9853% / 0.07985337
47.4 Eastern_Europe_15KYA
41.6 Anatolia_15KYA
10.8 Caucasus_15KYA
0.2 Southern_Europe_15KYA

Asega has more Eastern_Europe_15KYA than any Dutch or Icelandic sample of all the modern scaled official. Perhaps we are dealing with an outlier man? lol

Is anyone else on the forum here the extreme end/top/bottom of these groupings based on their own ethnicity?