15 Thousand Years Ago by Tomenable / Peterski

[Asega]

Asega has more Eastern_Europe_15KYA than any Dutch sample of all the modern scaled official. Perhaps we are dealing with an outlier man? lol

Is anyone else on the forum here the extreme end/top/bottom of these groupings based on their own ethnicity?

These Dutch samples are from Holland by the way. They are not representative for Frisians or Groningers. It's like using New Yorkers to represent Montana.

[Nurzat]

Target: Nurzat_dad
Distance: 6.6695% / 0.06669498
46.8 Anatolia_15KYA
36.0 Eastern_Europe_15KYA
11.0 Caucasus_15KYA
5.0 Iran_15KYA
1.2 Levant_15KYA

Target: Nurzat
Distance: 5.6563% / 0.05656290
49.8 Anatolia_15KYA
32.6 Eastern_Europe_15KYA
12.6 Caucasus_15KYA
5.0 Iran_15KYA

Target: Nurzat_maternal_grandma
Distance: 6.0299% / 0.06029942
50.8 Anatolia_15KYA
29.6 Eastern_Europe_15KYA
14.4 Caucasus_15KYA
3.0 Iran_15KYA
2.2 Levant_15KYA

[ScandinavianCelt]

These Dutch samples are from Holland by the way. They are not representative for Frisians or Groningers. It's like using New Yorkers to represent Montana.

Can you show Tolan Recent Ancestors v2?

Also do you have any known ancestry from the East genealogically speaking? I understand that some groups in the West can have high Yamnaya, but in all the samples I've ever seen from the West you are on top of every single one so it's rather shocking I imagine you can understand

[ScandinavianCelt]

These Dutch samples are from Holland by the way. They are not representative for Frisians or Groningers. It's like using New Yorkers to represent Montana.

Also do you have any official samples in modern times from those places you're talking about and have highlighted? I know I get somewhere around 60% Frisian at no ADC using the raw k13 regional data with all samples in

[Asega]

Can you show Tolan Recent Ancestors v2?

Also do you have any known ancestry from the East genealogically speaking? I understand that some groups in the West can have high Yamnaya, but in all the samples I've ever seen from the West you are on top of every single one so it's rather shocking I imagine you can understand

Not sure what that is.

No. My ancestry solely goes back back to Friesland:

[Asega]

Also do you have any official samples in modern times from those places you're talking about and have highlighted? I know I get somewhere around 60% Frisian at no ADC using the raw k13 regional data with all samples in

I only know of one Frisian sample on G25 (besides mine).

I use the Anglo-Saxons in G25 for comparison. Genetically they are representative for northern Dutch.

[ScandinavianCelt]

Not sure what that is.

No. My ancestry solely goes back back to Friesland:

I think you must be the ultimate Northwest European outlier for these things and maybe everyone who has genetics from that area including myself should then show higher proportions from ancient Eurasia for whatever reason wouldn't you think? You should contact the creator of the samples and get some more samples from that area I would think. I wonder if you trace back in time the best you can from where you're located step by step to see the proportions of assimilation of your groups from the East into the West because I'm curious how they got there before example the yamnaya did obviously take a more Central pathway through Europe even down into some Southern parts before moving North for the modern Northern Europeans but it also branched North in the beginning I'm not sure roughly what year that was but I know there was one group that moved towards the baltics and one group that moved towards more South Central Europe and even Central Europe

[ScandinavianCelt]

Not sure what that is.

No. My ancestry solely goes back back to Friesland:

I think you can find it online on some other websites but I use this one in the photo this is my result using my merged data file

[Asega]

I think you must be the ultimate Northwest European outlier for these things and maybe everyone who has genetics from that area including myself should then show higher proportions from ancient Eurasia for whatever reason wouldn't you think? You should contact the creator of the samples and get some more samples from that area I would think. I wonder if you trace back in time the best you can from where you're located step by step to see the proportions of assimilation of your groups from the East into the West because I'm curious how they got there before example the yamnaya did obviously take a more Central pathway through Europe even down into some Southern parts before moving North for the modern Northern Europeans but it also branched North in the beginning I'm not sure roughly what year that was but I know there was one group that moved towards the baltics and one group that moved towards more South Central Europe and even Central Europe

It's quite simple: yes I appear to be a bit of an outlier, though I'm sure with more samples from my area of the North Sea (Northern NL, Northwest Germany and Denmark) there will be one's pretty much identical to mine. There is obviously some diversity present in the ratio's of ancient ancestry proportions but they are not that statistically significant.

There are quite a few samples from my region (especially Denmark) but we still lack samples from certain area's and time periods.

Early Single Grave (2800-2500 BC) and early Bohemian Corded Ware were identical. Single Grave descends from early Bohemian Corded Ware. Single Grave was also rooted in Northern NL, Northwest Germany and Denmark. The route was from Bohemia following the Elbe culminating into the North Sea (see Egfjord 2021).

In terms of Steppe admixture:

- Early Bohemian Corded Ware (2900-2600 BCE) ~ 80% Steppe
- Early Single Grave (2800-2500 BCE) ~ 80% Steppe
- Late Single Grave/Bell Beaker (2600-2350 BCE) ~ 60% Steppe
- Late Neolithic-Bronze Age Denmark (2350-1700 BCE) ~ 55% Steppe

That's why I speak of LNBA continuity in my region. Genetically my region has remained unchanged for the last 4k years.

A subset of Anglo-Saxons (who by the way share a common ancestor with Frisians) plot identical to me.

[Fistora]

North Dutch, English, British by apricity members samples


samples were used via this link: https://pastebin.com/dBt2LWtC