2 Sioux Women's DNA Results

[Andullero]

Yeah but such myths are mostly about Cherokee ancestors or Blackfeet ancestors (the latter among African-Americans, I think).

I'm not sure why are these two tribes so "popular".

It's a good thing that the tribal enrolling system is closed to people south of the border, cuz otherwise, Mexicans alone would be enough to break it beyond any possibility of repair.

[Peterski]

It's a good thing that the tribal enrolling system is closed to people south of the border, cuz otherwise, Mexicans alone would be enough to break it beyond any possibility of repair.

Yeah lots of Mexicans who migrate to the U.S. claim to be Native, but they can't enroll in U.S. tribes because they are from Mexican tribes. BTW here is a good website about Native Mexicans - www.indigenousmexico.org/.

[Highwayman]

Yeah but such myths are mostly about Cherokee ancestors or Blackfeet ancestors (the latter among African-Americans, I think).

I'm not sure why are these two tribes so "popular".

Cherokee are a common myth due to their location (before the Trail of Tears) and early 1800s settlement patterns:






The branch of my family that claimed to have Cherokee lived in East Tennessee a few generations earlier, in Sevier county, where a lot of violent conflict arose between the mountain settlers and Cherokee. A lot of these families were huge and later went west, like mine, and so many, many white Americans have been told they have a, “Cherokee” ancestor.


The role of the Applachian mountains in American history and current culture is immense.

[Highwayman]

I don’t understand the Blackfoot, maybe someone else here does, but I have heard it from black people before. Geographically, it doesn’t add up.

[Peterski]

I tried to replicate the same model which Andrei proposed using G25 coordinates, the result is similar:

Target: Sioux(n=2)
Distance: 2.7709% / 0.02770929
60.6 USA_Nevada_SpiritCave_11000BP.SG
39.4 USA_Ancient_Beringian.SG

Coordinates used in TARGET:

Sioux(n=2),0.0569115,-0.296027,0.109931,0.084949,-0.098172,-0.0124105,-0.217737,-0.260412,-0.0111465,-0.0191345,0.003735,-0.000225,0.0030475,0.0074315,-0.009229,0.0059665,0.0046935,-0.0004435,0.0051535,0.0014385,-0.005553,-0.0003705,0.000678,0.001506,0.00485

Coordinates used in SOURCE:

USA_Ancient_Beringian.SG,0.0415455,-0.304659,0.086549,0.0828495,-0.087555,-0.0198015,-0.1226755,-0.1524165,-0.0188165,-0.019408,0.005521,-0.008393,0.0080275,-0.011285,-0.010654,0.0023865,0.000326,0.0107685,0.0022,0.0143195,-0.006239,0.0058115,0.0104145,0.004097,-0.0011975
USA_Nevada_SpiritCave_11000BP.SG,0.047806,-0.319892,0.122941,0.097869,-0.108328,-0.01506,-0.280368,-0.32814,-0.012885,-0.020046,-0.003085,0.004946,-0.001041,0.01913,-0.008686,0.004906,0.003781,0.00076,0.004148,0.005378,0.007237,-0.001855,0.001109,0.001205,-0.001317

[Highwayman]

Here are some distances to Sioux average based on MDLP World 22 calculator:

Distance to: Sioux(n=31)
2.26269751 Stockbridge-Munsee(n=4)
2.81232999 MHA_Nation(n=6)
2.94638762 Shawnee(n=5)
2.99653133 Crows(n=2)
3.00950162 Wisconsin_Oneida(n=2)
3.09538366 Iroquois(n=12)
3.51842294 Kiowa_Arapaho(n=2)
4.28722521 Anishinaabe(n=1)
4.53130224 Ponca(n=1)
4.53901972 Ottawa(n=4)
4.67946578 CAN_Ojibwe(n=9)
5.72330324 Chippewa(n=12)
5.93627830 Kickapoo(n=2)
6.34907867 Oklahoma_Chiwere(n=1)
6.41456156 CAN_White_Bear(n=3)
6.51277974 CAN_Saulteaux(n=16)
6.59128971 Tuscarora(n=4)
6.75496854 White_Mountain_Apache(n=1)
6.95137396 CAN_Assiniboine(n=5)
6.96650558 CAN_Hurons(n=1)
7.13904756 CAN_Mikmaq(n=1)
7.21173349 CAN_Kahkewistahaw(n=3)
7.36839195 Oklahoma_Thakiwaki(n=1)
7.42980484 Navajo(n=18)
8.22637830 Chickasaw(n=5)
8.34423154 CAN_Sarcee(n=1)
8.36263714 Wabanaki(n=5)
8.37886627 Wampanoag(n=3)
8.47141074 CAN_Cree(n=12)
8.67243910 Catawba(n=2)
(...)

The Mohicans are the closest pop??? The Sioux are a plains tribe, in my ignorance I would have guessed the Crow to be closer.

[Peterski]

The Mohicans are the closest pop??? The Sioux are a plains tribe, in my ignorance I would have guessed the Crow to be closer.

Well, the Sioux originally lived close to the Great Lakes (as Andrei told in his video).

And the Stockbridge-Munsee are not pure Mohicans, they are a mix of remnants of a few tribes, including Mohicans.

But maybe MDLP World 22 calculator is not perfect.

[Peterski]

But if we use Kennewick Man instead of Spirit Cave, then already much less of Beringian is required:

Target: Sioux(n=2)
Distance: 2.9420% / 0.02941954
93.4 USA_WA_Kennewick.SG
6.6 USA_Ancient_Beringian.SG

TARGET:

Sioux(n=2),0.0569115,-0.296027,0.109931,0.084949,-0.098172,-0.0124105,-0.217737,-0.260412,-0.0111465,-0.0191345,0.003735,-0.000225,0.0030475,0.0074315,-0.009229,0.0059665,0.0046935,-0.0004435,0.0051535,0.0014385,-0.005553,-0.0003705,0.000678,0.001506,0.00485

SOURCE:

USA_WA_Kennewick.SG,0.045529,-0.307705,0.107857,0.079781,-0.104019,-0.019243,-0.22373,-0.263758,-0.013294,-0.01549,0.00065,-0.004796,0,0.014863,-0.009229,0.01074,0.006258,0.010515,0.009804,0.003252,0.004118,-0.00779,-0.006039,0.003012,-0.003473
USA_Ancient_Beringian.SG,0.0415455,-0.304659,0.086549,0.0828495,-0.087555,-0.0198015,-0.1226755,-0.1524165,-0.0188165,-0.019408,0.005521,-0.008393,0.0080275,-0.011285,-0.010654,0.0023865,0.000326,0.0107685,0.0022,0.0143195,-0.006239,0.0058115,0.0104145,0.004097,-0.0011975

So Kennewick was already largely descended from the 2nd wave. It shows that this 2nd wave was very ancient.

[Purple Panther]

Yeah but such myths are mostly about Cherokee ancestors or Blackfeet ancestors (the latter among African-Americans, I think).

I'm not sure why are these two tribes so "popular".

The Cherokee are seen as a "cool" tribe since they may be the most well known. No one wants to be linked to the obscure Skunk Ape tribe.

[Highwayman]

Well, the Sioux originally lived close to the Great Lakes (as Andrei told in his video).

And the Stockbridge-Munsee are not pure Mohicans, they are a mix of remnants of a few tribes, including Mohicans.

But maybe MDLP World 22 calculator is not perfect.

Maybe, or it could be intertribal contact with the Stockbridge-Munsee since their relocation to Wisconsin? They are part of the Algonquin language family, whereas the Crow and the Sioux are both of the Siouan language family together. It’s interesting to see, the Shawnee are also of the Algonquin language tree:


Algonquin:





Siouan: