v2.6 ancient (refined)

[Feiichy]

Ok, so I guess I-PH908 can be from early formation of Slavs

It surely is, but it seems to be very minor lineage that exploded after migration to southeastern Europe. It's not much common among northern Slavs, I2-dinaric clades they have are mostly of different sort.

PH908 has very low diversity but high frequency among SerboCroats sugesting recent (post medieval even) demographic explosion.

[Feiichy]

Btw just wrote in Slavic expansion thread:

Two main markers of Slavic expansion seem to be R1 Z280 and I2a Y3210. R1a M458 does not fit with this instead, it seems to be local central Euro marker that was Slavicized later, and that can explain it's relative absence among early Slav samples.

[Dušan]

I-PH908 is rather Serbian, it can be found as main haplogroup in all regions where Serbs live, while among Croats it is distributed only in southern areas.
Kajkavians dont have it in large numbers.

[Feiichy]

I-PH908 is rather Serbian, it can be found as main haplogroup in all regions where Serbs live, while among Croats it is distributed only in southern areas.
Kajkavians dont have it in large numbers.

It just shows Serbs spread from very small population that later demographically expanded with Ottoman Migrations, and nothing more. That is why you have such poor dialectical diversity. It means your original area was much smaller than where Serbs live today. Croatia has more diversity because original Croatia was larger country than Serbia.

btw Serbs from Brda are E-V13 dominant.

[Feiichy]

while among Croats it is distributed only in southern areas.

This is incorrect, ofcourse.

[Live The Magic]

It just shows Serbs spread from very small population that later demographically expanded with Ottoman Migrations, and nothing more. That is why you have such poor dialectical diversity. It means your original area was much smaller than where Serbs live today. Croatia has more diversity because original Croatia was larger country than Serbia.

btw Serbs from Brda are E-V13 dominant.

Yeah, I think so too. Probably a lot of Serbs with I-PH908 had Croatian ancestor, but switched sides as you said it happened in some areas, and then they had a lot children.

[Dardanos]

It just shows Serbs spread from very small population that later demographically expanded with Ottoman Migrations, and nothing more. That is why you have such poor dialectical diversity. It means your original area was much smaller than where Serbs live today. Croatia has more diversity because original Croatia was larger country than Serbia.

btw Serbs from Brda are E-V13 dominant.

This is actually a very interesting thing I’ve noticed.

If you take out Torlak speakers (such as Gorani and others, whose speech Serbs consider Serbian despite being grammatically closer to Bulgarian, Macedonian, and other Eastern South Slavic dialects), Serbs have a very unified speech. From Mitrovica to Sombor and Banja Luka they mostly speak the same language, with only different accents.

Meanwhile, Slovenes and Croats have dialects so different that people living just 100–200 km apart often can’t understand each other.

Most of the Brda Montenegrins were Vlachs who adopted the Serbian ethnos during the Ottoman period, and many of them were originally Catholic.

[PaulieVanZant]

Nice results Paulie. I wonder what VC scores.

Target: villainchai
Distance: 1.4768% / 0.01476804
64.2 Proto_Slav
32.0 Keltic
2.4 Old_German
1.4 Volga_Finn

Distance to: villainchai
0.03493959 Proto_Slav
0.05431196 Old_German
0.06638912 Keltic
0.12904595 Volga_Finn
0.13271150 SE_Euro
0.39677866 Eurasian

[Figaro]

Target: FigaroMom
Distance: 1.4911% / 0.01491139
51.4 Proto_Slav
32.4 Old_German
14.2 SE_Euro
2.0 Eurasian

Target: FigaroDad
Distance: 1.8777% / 0.01877687
65.2 Old_German
14.8 Proto_Slav
11.4 SE_Euro
7.8 Keltic
0.8 Eurasian

[#Oda#]

result with only Lower Saxon ancestry:

Target: father_simulated_ANCESTRY_scaled
Distance: 0.8798% / 0.00879829
74.2 Old_German
24.2 Keltic
1.6 Proto_Slav

Distance to: father_simulated_ANCESTRY_scaled
0.01840243 Old_German
0.05099133 Keltic
0.07275816 Proto_Slav
0.12598168 SE_Euro
0.14482813 Volga_Finn
0.40243280 Eurasian