Is there any way to see what exactly makes my 25% Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry with G25?

[Kowalski]

Like to see how much Slavic I have, how much MENA etc.

[Luke35]

Hey Repent,

My half-brother is 1/2 Jewish and 1/2 Hungarian. He does not have G25 but if I use his Eurogenes K13, and put only Ashkenazi Jewish and Hungarian regions in the source, this is his result:

Target: 1/2_Brother
Distance: 334.4375% / 3.34437516
52.2 Hungarian_Székely
46.6 Jew_Ashkenazi
1.2 Hungarian_Transdanubia_South

So my suggestion would be for you to try to model yourself with only Russian and Ashkenazi in the source.

*Sorry, I re-read your question and see that this is not exactly what you are asking. I am not skillful/knowledgeable enough to make a calc specific to capturing your Slavic and your Ashkenazi -- I imagine starting with Feiichy's most recent calc as a basis would be one approach. I imagine it would need an added Middle Eastern source but not sure how to approach selecting that.

[Kowalski]

Hey Repent,

My half-brother is 1/2 Jewish and 1/2 Hungarian. He does not have G25 but if I use his Eurogenes K13, and put only Ashkenazi Jewish and Hungarian regions in the source, this is his result:

Target: 1/2_Brother
Distance: 334.4375% / 3.34437516
52.2 Hungarian_Székely
46.6 Jew_Ashkenazi
1.2 Hungarian_Transdanubia_South

So my suggestion would be for you to try to model yourself with only Russian and Ashkenazi in the source.

Thank you, my question is more like, how much different components my 25% Ashkenazi Jewish has (Slavic, MENA, Southern Europe). Not like how to model myself.

[ScandinavianCelt]

Thank you, my question is more like, how much different components my 25% Ashkenazi Jewish has (Slavic, MENA, Southern Europe). Not like how to model myself.

Do you have the Admixture Studio desktop app?

[Kowalski]

Do you have the Admixture Studio desktop app?

No, and I do not have a PC / Notebook. Can I run it on an Android phone?

[Luke35]

I made a bastardization of Feiichy's v2.6 calculator -- I added Lebanese samples to represent Middle Eastern admixture. I am sure this calc is not ideal, however using my my half-brother's simulated G25, it actually produces a result that is plausible.

Eurasian,0.0629017,-0.236595,0.0722302,-0.0138233,-0.0540094,-0.0326376,0.0138195,0.0181792,0.0057311,0.0066217,-0.0095923,0.0015206,-0.0028723,0.0016479,0.0008709,-0.0031057,-0.0023258,-0.0016595,0.0015867,0.0086371,-0.0171806,-0.003357,-0.0155919,-0.0032137,-0.0009587
Old_German,0.1283926,0.1312062,0.0649404,0.055556,0.0416692,0.0232594,0.00329,0.0050768,0.0030678,-0.0064512,-0.0073402,0.0026676,-0.0097818,-0.0069088,0.022068,0.0064438,-0.004407,0.002255,0.0052038,0.0029264,0.0083352,0.0021266,0.0022924,0.0176892,-0.0002394
Keltic,0.129016,0.1473401,0.0501243,0.0143946,0.0431652,0.0034073,0.0014815,0.0026186,0.0108576,0.0211949,-0.0033889,0.0068092,-0.0136121,-0.0072761,0.0031865,-0.0007264,-0.0000964,0.0028753,0.0041316,-0.0000272,0.00153,0.0050321,-0.0020577,-0.003227,0.0002187
SE_Euro,0.1160693,0.1626614,0.0093189,-0.0404226,0.022414,-0.0139612,-0.0009635,-0.0004157,0.0075445,0.0308456,-0.0035275,0.0041855,-0.0188075,-0.004755,-0.0153123,-0.0093753,0.0108151,-0.0030687,0.0029708,-0.0095153,-0.0092863,0.0087089,-0.0012666,0.0070389,-0.0035969
Proto_Slav,0.1280698,0.1297874,0.0737197,0.0665258,0.0393722,0.0243673,0.0100339,0.0107155,0.001001,-0.0232604,-0.0012329,-0.0121771,0.0186664,0.026536,-0.0129782,-0.0019785,0.0014559,0.0011226,0.0023482,0.0029414,-0.003575,-0.0007801,0.0033404,-0.0129756,0.002079
Volga_Finn,0.1152459,0.0307198,0.0921116,0.088179 ,0.0026158,0.0160015,0.0117212,0.0158648,-0.00565,-0.0413678,0.0132145,-0.0100972,0.0231725,0.0002409,-0.0129442,-0.00121,0.0021512,-0.001346,-0.0039438,0.002345,0.0038838,-0.0019321,0.0021412,-0.0068834,0.0008382
Middle_Eastern:Lebanese_Christian,0.088149,0.145785,-0.048858,-0.078848,-0.012891,-0.03074,-0.000496,-0.004282,0.005181,0.010225,0.006658,-0.004529,0.01039,0,-0.010315,0.008471,-0.002101,0.001788,0.002542,-0.000125,0.000763,-0.000302,-0.00141,0.002356,-0.001211
Middle_Eastern:Lebanese_Druze,0.084115,0.140448,-0.049667,-0.070091,-0.015664,-0.025184,-0.002421,-0.005331,-0.002311,0.007599,0.005148,-0.003027,0.009083,0.002023,-0.006867,0.006165,-0.002086,0.000836,0.002476,-0.000913,-0.001323,0.001941,0.000246,0.002518,-0.000587
Middle_Eastern:Lebanese_Maronite_Christian_Zgharta,0.090072,0.143446,-0.05273,-0.078836,-0.012616,-0.027342,-0.001917,-0.006092,0.002606,0.008529,0.006113,-0.004902,0.011294,0.003043,-0.008313,0.004614,-0.002487,0.001532,0.002984,-0.002396,-0.000208,0.002539,-0.001719,0.001531,0.001252
Middle_Eastern:Lebanese_Muslim,0.075744,0.134788,-0.045049,-0.067273,-0.016478,-0.022311,-0.000791,-0.00579,0.000576,0.003645,0.004591,-0.003828,0.012014,0.002803,-0.008649,0.003869,-0.002359,0.000415,0.001623,0.000705,-0.00169,-0.001147,-0.003081,0.001764,-0.000675
Middle_Eastern:Lebanese_Orthodox_Christian_Koura,0.084988,0.144694,-0.050814,-0.079426,-0.01345,-0.029173,-0.003249,-0.006216,0.003194,0.007951,0.006309,-0.005188,0.010654,0.002773,-0.008271,0.00503,-0.001729,0.001678,0.002615,-0.002149,-2e-05,0.002064,-0.001071,0.002838,-0.000732
Middle_Eastern:Lebanese_Shia_Muslim_Beirut,0.074432,0.134739,-0.050292,-0.068488,-0.014937,-0.022261,-0.00167,-0.005118,0.000628,0.004107,0.005109,-0.003693,0.008867,0.002153,-0.003582,0.005299,-0.001313,0.00048,0.001118,-0.001648,-8.9e-05,0.000967,-0.000955,0.001816,0.001497
Middle_Eastern:Lebanese_Sunni_Muslim_Beirut,0.061409,0.131647,-0.046064,-0.067736,-0.016701,-0.022121,-0.003044,-0.00376,0.0023,0.002693,0.004602,-0.004302,0.010704,0.001766,-0.003492,0.003425,-0.004659,0.000705,0.002152,-0.002288,-0.000673,0.000878,-0.000364,0.000223,-0.000152
Middle_Eastern:Lebanese_Sunni_Muslim_Dinniyeh,0.09002,0.144722,-0.052519,-0.079458,-0.014972,-0.028373,-0.001864,-0.006587,0.000524,0.00767,0.007222,-0.004914,0.010156,0.004088,-0.009127,0.002419,-0.0043,0.002327,0.002212,-0.002481,0.000105,0.00318,-0.002048,0.001831,-0.000326

Target: bro_sim_k36
Distance: 1.1567% / 0.01156691
36.8 Middle_Eastern
25.8 Proto_Slav
17.4 Keltic
11.2 SE_Euro
6.4 Old_German
2.4 Eurasian

w/out Keltic:

Target: bro_sim_k36
Distance: 1.2153% / 0.01215328
33.8 Middle_Eastern
27.2 Proto_Slav
22.6 SE_Euro
13.8 Old_German
2.6 Eurasian

[Kowalski]

I made a bastardization of Feiichy's v2.6 calculator -- I added Lebanese samples to represent Middle Eastern admixture. I am sure this calc is not ideal, however using my my half-brother's simulated G25, it actually produces a result that is plausible.

Eurasian,0.0629017,-0.236595,0.0722302,-0.0138233,-0.0540094,-0.0326376,0.0138195,0.0181792,0.0057311,0.0066217,-0.0095923,0.0015206,-0.0028723,0.0016479,0.0008709,-0.0031057,-0.0023258,-0.0016595,0.0015867,0.0086371,-0.0171806,-0.003357,-0.0155919,-0.0032137,-0.0009587
Old_German,0.1283926,0.1312062,0.0649404,0.055556,0.0416692,0.0232594,0.00329,0.0050768,0.0030678,-0.0064512,-0.0073402,0.0026676,-0.0097818,-0.0069088,0.022068,0.0064438,-0.004407,0.002255,0.0052038,0.0029264,0.0083352,0.0021266,0.0022924,0.0176892,-0.0002394
Keltic,0.129016,0.1473401,0.0501243,0.0143946,0.0431652,0.0034073,0.0014815,0.0026186,0.0108576,0.0211949,-0.0033889,0.0068092,-0.0136121,-0.0072761,0.0031865,-0.0007264,-0.0000964,0.0028753,0.0041316,-0.0000272,0.00153,0.0050321,-0.0020577,-0.003227,0.0002187
SE_Euro,0.1160693,0.1626614,0.0093189,-0.0404226,0.022414,-0.0139612,-0.0009635,-0.0004157,0.0075445,0.0308456,-0.0035275,0.0041855,-0.0188075,-0.004755,-0.0153123,-0.0093753,0.0108151,-0.0030687,0.0029708,-0.0095153,-0.0092863,0.0087089,-0.0012666,0.0070389,-0.0035969
Proto_Slav,0.1280698,0.1297874,0.0737197,0.0665258,0.0393722,0.0243673,0.0100339,0.0107155,0.001001,-0.0232604,-0.0012329,-0.0121771,0.0186664,0.026536,-0.0129782,-0.0019785,0.0014559,0.0011226,0.0023482,0.0029414,-0.003575,-0.0007801,0.0033404,-0.0129756,0.002079
Volga_Finn,0.1152459,0.0307198,0.0921116,0.088179 ,0.0026158,0.0160015,0.0117212,0.0158648,-0.00565,-0.0413678,0.0132145,-0.0100972,0.0231725,0.0002409,-0.0129442,-0.00121,0.0021512,-0.001346,-0.0039438,0.002345,0.0038838,-0.0019321,0.0021412,-0.0068834,0.0008382
Middle_Eastern:Lebanese_Christian,0.088149,0.145785,-0.048858,-0.078848,-0.012891,-0.03074,-0.000496,-0.004282,0.005181,0.010225,0.006658,-0.004529,0.01039,0,-0.010315,0.008471,-0.002101,0.001788,0.002542,-0.000125,0.000763,-0.000302,-0.00141,0.002356,-0.001211
Middle_Eastern:Lebanese_Druze,0.084115,0.140448,-0.049667,-0.070091,-0.015664,-0.025184,-0.002421,-0.005331,-0.002311,0.007599,0.005148,-0.003027,0.009083,0.002023,-0.006867,0.006165,-0.002086,0.000836,0.002476,-0.000913,-0.001323,0.001941,0.000246,0.002518,-0.000587
Middle_Eastern:Lebanese_Maronite_Christian_Zgharta,0.090072,0.143446,-0.05273,-0.078836,-0.012616,-0.027342,-0.001917,-0.006092,0.002606,0.008529,0.006113,-0.004902,0.011294,0.003043,-0.008313,0.004614,-0.002487,0.001532,0.002984,-0.002396,-0.000208,0.002539,-0.001719,0.001531,0.001252
Middle_Eastern:Lebanese_Muslim,0.075744,0.134788,-0.045049,-0.067273,-0.016478,-0.022311,-0.000791,-0.00579,0.000576,0.003645,0.004591,-0.003828,0.012014,0.002803,-0.008649,0.003869,-0.002359,0.000415,0.001623,0.000705,-0.00169,-0.001147,-0.003081,0.001764,-0.000675
Middle_Eastern:Lebanese_Orthodox_Christian_Koura,0.084988,0.144694,-0.050814,-0.079426,-0.01345,-0.029173,-0.003249,-0.006216,0.003194,0.007951,0.006309,-0.005188,0.010654,0.002773,-0.008271,0.00503,-0.001729,0.001678,0.002615,-0.002149,-2e-05,0.002064,-0.001071,0.002838,-0.000732
Middle_Eastern:Lebanese_Shia_Muslim_Beirut,0.074432,0.134739,-0.050292,-0.068488,-0.014937,-0.022261,-0.00167,-0.005118,0.000628,0.004107,0.005109,-0.003693,0.008867,0.002153,-0.003582,0.005299,-0.001313,0.00048,0.001118,-0.001648,-8.9e-05,0.000967,-0.000955,0.001816,0.001497
Middle_Eastern:Lebanese_Sunni_Muslim_Beirut,0.061409,0.131647,-0.046064,-0.067736,-0.016701,-0.022121,-0.003044,-0.00376,0.0023,0.002693,0.004602,-0.004302,0.010704,0.001766,-0.003492,0.003425,-0.004659,0.000705,0.002152,-0.002288,-0.000673,0.000878,-0.000364,0.000223,-0.000152
Middle_Eastern:Lebanese_Sunni_Muslim_Dinniyeh,0.09002,0.144722,-0.052519,-0.079458,-0.014972,-0.028373,-0.001864,-0.006587,0.000524,0.00767,0.007222,-0.004914,0.010156,0.004088,-0.009127,0.002419,-0.0043,0.002327,0.002212,-0.002481,0.000105,0.00318,-0.002048,0.001831,-0.000326

Target: bro_sim_k36
Distance: 1.1567% / 0.01156691
36.8 Middle_Eastern
25.8 Proto_Slav
17.4 Keltic
11.2 SE_Euro
6.4 Old_German
2.4 Eurasian

w/out Keltic:

Target: bro_sim_k36
Distance: 1.2153% / 0.01215328
33.8 Middle_Eastern
27.2 Proto_Slav
22.6 SE_Euro
13.8 Old_German
2.6 Eurasian

Thank you, sir. I guess I have to ghost coordinate 25% Ashkenazi Jewish now or something and run through this calculator, because I have no other idea. Since I have to separate my Russian Slavic from my Ashkenazi part Slavic and other stuff too, to see what's what. At least that it will close enough.

[Kowalski]

I made a bastardization of Feiichy's v2.6 calculator -- I added Lebanese samples to represent Middle Eastern admixture. I am sure this calc is not ideal, however using my my half-brother's simulated G25, it actually produces a result that is plausible.

Eurasian,0.0629017,-0.236595,0.0722302,-0.0138233,-0.0540094,-0.0326376,0.0138195,0.0181792,0.0057311,0.0066217,-0.0095923,0.0015206,-0.0028723,0.0016479,0.0008709,-0.0031057,-0.0023258,-0.0016595,0.0015867,0.0086371,-0.0171806,-0.003357,-0.0155919,-0.0032137,-0.0009587
Old_German,0.1283926,0.1312062,0.0649404,0.055556,0.0416692,0.0232594,0.00329,0.0050768,0.0030678,-0.0064512,-0.0073402,0.0026676,-0.0097818,-0.0069088,0.022068,0.0064438,-0.004407,0.002255,0.0052038,0.0029264,0.0083352,0.0021266,0.0022924,0.0176892,-0.0002394
Keltic,0.129016,0.1473401,0.0501243,0.0143946,0.0431652,0.0034073,0.0014815,0.0026186,0.0108576,0.0211949,-0.0033889,0.0068092,-0.0136121,-0.0072761,0.0031865,-0.0007264,-0.0000964,0.0028753,0.0041316,-0.0000272,0.00153,0.0050321,-0.0020577,-0.003227,0.0002187
SE_Euro,0.1160693,0.1626614,0.0093189,-0.0404226,0.022414,-0.0139612,-0.0009635,-0.0004157,0.0075445,0.0308456,-0.0035275,0.0041855,-0.0188075,-0.004755,-0.0153123,-0.0093753,0.0108151,-0.0030687,0.0029708,-0.0095153,-0.0092863,0.0087089,-0.0012666,0.0070389,-0.0035969
Proto_Slav,0.1280698,0.1297874,0.0737197,0.0665258,0.0393722,0.0243673,0.0100339,0.0107155,0.001001,-0.0232604,-0.0012329,-0.0121771,0.0186664,0.026536,-0.0129782,-0.0019785,0.0014559,0.0011226,0.0023482,0.0029414,-0.003575,-0.0007801,0.0033404,-0.0129756,0.002079
Volga_Finn,0.1152459,0.0307198,0.0921116,0.088179 ,0.0026158,0.0160015,0.0117212,0.0158648,-0.00565,-0.0413678,0.0132145,-0.0100972,0.0231725,0.0002409,-0.0129442,-0.00121,0.0021512,-0.001346,-0.0039438,0.002345,0.0038838,-0.0019321,0.0021412,-0.0068834,0.0008382
Middle_Eastern:Lebanese_Christian,0.088149,0.145785,-0.048858,-0.078848,-0.012891,-0.03074,-0.000496,-0.004282,0.005181,0.010225,0.006658,-0.004529,0.01039,0,-0.010315,0.008471,-0.002101,0.001788,0.002542,-0.000125,0.000763,-0.000302,-0.00141,0.002356,-0.001211
Middle_Eastern:Lebanese_Druze,0.084115,0.140448,-0.049667,-0.070091,-0.015664,-0.025184,-0.002421,-0.005331,-0.002311,0.007599,0.005148,-0.003027,0.009083,0.002023,-0.006867,0.006165,-0.002086,0.000836,0.002476,-0.000913,-0.001323,0.001941,0.000246,0.002518,-0.000587
Middle_Eastern:Lebanese_Maronite_Christian_Zgharta,0.090072,0.143446,-0.05273,-0.078836,-0.012616,-0.027342,-0.001917,-0.006092,0.002606,0.008529,0.006113,-0.004902,0.011294,0.003043,-0.008313,0.004614,-0.002487,0.001532,0.002984,-0.002396,-0.000208,0.002539,-0.001719,0.001531,0.001252
Middle_Eastern:Lebanese_Muslim,0.075744,0.134788,-0.045049,-0.067273,-0.016478,-0.022311,-0.000791,-0.00579,0.000576,0.003645,0.004591,-0.003828,0.012014,0.002803,-0.008649,0.003869,-0.002359,0.000415,0.001623,0.000705,-0.00169,-0.001147,-0.003081,0.001764,-0.000675
Middle_Eastern:Lebanese_Orthodox_Christian_Koura,0.084988,0.144694,-0.050814,-0.079426,-0.01345,-0.029173,-0.003249,-0.006216,0.003194,0.007951,0.006309,-0.005188,0.010654,0.002773,-0.008271,0.00503,-0.001729,0.001678,0.002615,-0.002149,-2e-05,0.002064,-0.001071,0.002838,-0.000732
Middle_Eastern:Lebanese_Shia_Muslim_Beirut,0.074432,0.134739,-0.050292,-0.068488,-0.014937,-0.022261,-0.00167,-0.005118,0.000628,0.004107,0.005109,-0.003693,0.008867,0.002153,-0.003582,0.005299,-0.001313,0.00048,0.001118,-0.001648,-8.9e-05,0.000967,-0.000955,0.001816,0.001497
Middle_Eastern:Lebanese_Sunni_Muslim_Beirut,0.061409,0.131647,-0.046064,-0.067736,-0.016701,-0.022121,-0.003044,-0.00376,0.0023,0.002693,0.004602,-0.004302,0.010704,0.001766,-0.003492,0.003425,-0.004659,0.000705,0.002152,-0.002288,-0.000673,0.000878,-0.000364,0.000223,-0.000152
Middle_Eastern:Lebanese_Sunni_Muslim_Dinniyeh,0.09002,0.144722,-0.052519,-0.079458,-0.014972,-0.028373,-0.001864,-0.006587,0.000524,0.00767,0.007222,-0.004914,0.010156,0.004088,-0.009127,0.002419,-0.0043,0.002327,0.002212,-0.002481,0.000105,0.00318,-0.002048,0.001831,-0.000326

Target: bro_sim_k36
Distance: 1.1567% / 0.01156691
36.8 Middle_Eastern
25.8 Proto_Slav
17.4 Keltic
11.2 SE_Euro
6.4 Old_German
2.4 Eurasian

w/out Keltic:

Target: bro_sim_k36
Distance: 1.2153% / 0.01215328
33.8 Middle_Eastern
27.2 Proto_Slav
22.6 SE_Euro
13.8 Old_German
2.6 Eurasian

By using real coordinates, if Calculator is accurate enough:


Target: Repent:RealG25_scaled
Distance: 2.5763% / 0.02576314
70.8 Proto_Slav
14.2 SE_Euro
6.6 Volga_Finn
4.2 Eurasian
2.2 Old_German
2.0 Middle_Eastern

It will be like 70.8 Slav + 6.6 Volga Finn = 77.4-75.4=2.4 Slavic input.

What is Eurasian, though, here? Tatars or?

[Luke35]

What is Eurasian, though, here? Tatars or?

Not sure what she used for Eurasian

[Kowalski]

Not sure what she used for Eurasian

Got it. I'll try to think about it more.